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i saw the garmin 405 at copenhagen!!! it is so so cool... definitely smaller than my current polar 200... the "touch" sensor on the watch is really good... just like ipod type... if you on the gps, its supposed to last for 8 hours... can't remember without gps can last for how long... i'm going to buy... though deliberating between this and the polar new 800 one...

anyone got any comments or know the comparison between the 2?

trust me, garmin platform is too complicated..polar rules..and the GPS technology, you dont get a clear signal under high rise building, with the 200sd you can run anywhere. if you are not into multisport or statistic..then no point getting the garmin.but if you are looking for cool gadget and have money to spend then garmin will be right..

actually, the garmin 405 is selling at US$349 while the polar 800g3 is selling at US$459... the polar 800 g3 is also operating using the gps while the polar 800sd is using the normal footpod... if that's the case, i seriously dun mind paying lesser and get a cooler looking gadget... :tongue_smilie:

what about the rest?

I am happy with my 205. serves me very well except for that fateful day during SCSM 2007 when the memory became full at 20 km! Lost the records after that. Sigh.

i saw the garmin 405 at copenhagen!!! it is so so cool... definitely smaller than my current polar 200... the "touch" sensor on the watch is really good... just like ipod type... if you on the gps, its supposed to last for 8 hours... can't remember without gps can last for how long... i'm going to buy... though deliberating between this and the polar new 800 one...

anyone got any comments or know the comparison between the 2?

trust me, garmin platform is too complicated..polar rules..and the GPS technology, you dont get a clear signal under high rise building, with the 200sd you can run anywhere. if you are not into multisport or statistic..then no point getting the garmin.but if you are looking for cool gadget and have money to spend then garmin will be right..

actually, the garmin 405 is selling at US$349 while the polar 800g3 is selling at US$459... the polar 800 g3 is also operating using the gps while the polar 800sd is using the normal footpod... if that's the case, i seriously dun mind paying lesser and get a cooler looking gadget... :tongue_smilie:

what about the rest?

I am happy with my 205. serves me very well except for that fateful day during SCSM 2007 when the memory became full at 20 km! Lost the records after that. Sigh.

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i saw the garmin 405 at copenhagen!!! it is so so cool... definitely smaller than my current polar 200... the "touch" sensor on the watch is really good... just like ipod type... if you on the gps, its supposed to last for 8 hours... can't remember without gps can last for how long... i'm going to buy... though deliberating between this and the polar new 800 one...

anyone got any comments or know the comparison between the 2?

trust me, garmin platform is too complicated..polar rules..and the GPS technology, you dont get a clear signal under high rise building, with the 200sd you can run anywhere. if you are not into multisport or statistic..then no point getting the garmin.but if you are looking for cool gadget and have money to spend then garmin will be right..

actually, the garmin 405 is selling at US$349 while the polar 800g3 is selling at US$459... the polar 800 g3 is also operating using the gps while the polar 800sd is using the normal footpod... if that's the case, i seriously dun mind paying lesser and get a cooler looking gadget... :tongue_smilie:

what about the rest?

i dont know about the rest but i have serious problem locating the satelites during the CBD runs..need to have a clear sky, and also the instant speed for garmin is not so accurate i think it lags abit however total avg speed is OK. Polar SD is really user friendly i like it that you can view all the lap data by pressing one buton. The garmin you got to plug it into comp to analyse the data. Also the garmin 305 buttons are damm stiff...you need to train your fingers to press them, i think they were built to MIL spec, the garmin is like bomb proof!

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i saw the garmin 405 at copenhagen!!! it is so so cool... definitely smaller than my current polar 200... the "touch" sensor on the watch is really good... just like ipod type... if you on the gps, its supposed to last for 8 hours... can't remember without gps can last for how long... i'm going to buy... though deliberating between this and the polar new 800 one...

anyone got any comments or know the comparison between the 2?

trust me, garmin platform is too complicated..polar rules..and the GPS technology, you dont get a clear signal under high rise building, with the 200sd you can run anywhere. if you are not into multisport or statistic..then no point getting the garmin.but if you are looking for cool gadget and have money to spend then garmin will be right..

actually, the garmin 405 is selling at US$349 while the polar 800g3 is selling at US$459... the polar 800 g3 is also operating using the gps while the polar 800sd is using the normal footpod... if that's the case, i seriously dun mind paying lesser and get a cooler looking gadget... :tongue_smilie:

what about the rest?

I am happy with my 205. serves me very well except for that fateful day during SCSM 2007 when the memory became full at 20 km! Lost the records after that. Sigh.

i saw the garmin 405 at copenhagen!!! it is so so cool... definitely smaller than my current polar 200... the "touch" sensor on the watch is really good... just like ipod type... if you on the gps, its supposed to last for 8 hours... can't remember without gps can last for how long... i'm going to buy... though deliberating between this and the polar new 800 one...

anyone got any comments or know the comparison between the 2?

trust me, garmin platform is too complicated..polar rules..and the GPS technology, you dont get a clear signal under high rise building, with the 200sd you can run anywhere. if you are not into multisport or statistic..then no point getting the garmin.but if you are looking for cool gadget and have money to spend then garmin will be right..

actually, the garmin 405 is selling at US$349 while the polar 800g3 is selling at US$459... the polar 800 g3 is also operating using the gps while the polar 800sd is using the normal footpod... if that's the case, i seriously dun mind paying lesser and get a cooler looking gadget... :tongue_smilie:

what about the rest?

I am happy with my 205. serves me very well except for that fateful day during SCSM 2007 when the memory became full at 20 km! Lost the records after that. Sigh.

can see that you are really happy! :P

i'm not asking garmin 305 leh... i'm asking garmin 405 vs polar 800sd/g3... :tongue_smilie:

405 dun knowleh...haven't try... if 305 good... than maybe 405 oso good mah!

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i dont know about the rest but i have serious problem locating the satelites during the CBD runs..need to have a clear sky, and also the instant speed for garmin is not so accurate i think it lags abit however total avg speed is OK. Polar SD is really user friendly i like it that you can view all the lap data by pressing one buton. The garmin you got to plug it into comp to analyse the data. Also the garmin 305 buttons are damm stiff...you need to train your fingers to press them, i think they were built to MIL spec, the garmin is like bomb proof!

the garmin 405 have touch screen feature just like ipod... so you can just touch the outer watch surface clockwise or anti-clockwise to activate whatever functions... so damn cool lor... :Big Grin:

i'm not asking garmin 305 leh... i'm asking garmin 405 vs polar 800sd/g3... :tongue_smilie:

405 dun knowleh...haven't try... if 305 good... than maybe 405 oso good mah!

do you have problem getting the gps signal while you run? is it because you run in the open area where there are no buildings? :/

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i dont know about the rest but i have serious problem locating the satelites during the CBD runs..need to have a clear sky, and also the instant speed for garmin is not so accurate i think it lags abit however total avg speed is OK. Polar SD is really user friendly i like it that you can view all the lap data by pressing one buton. The garmin you got to plug it into comp to analyse the data. Also the garmin 305 buttons are damm stiff...you need to train your fingers to press them, i think they were built to MIL spec, the garmin is like bomb proof!

the garmin 405 have touch screen feature just like ipod... so you can just touch the outer watch surface clockwise or anti-clockwise to activate whatever functions... so damn cool lor... :Big Grin:

i'm not asking garmin 305 leh... i'm asking garmin 405 vs polar 800sd/g3... :tongue_smilie:

405 dun knowleh...haven't try... if 305 good... than maybe 405 oso good mah!

do you have problem getting the gps signal while you run? is it because you run in the open area where there are no buildings? :/

nolah...i use in MR no problem leh... for speed... u need to set it to lap every 1 km...than u can get somewhere accurate speed. got this tip from one website...

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Yes, I set to lap at 1 km. Quite accurate when I run the same route many times and using the mapmyrun website to check.

However, recently i find myself very very fast, according to the watch. Anyway, I use it now to pace myself.

In CBD, the NTUC building has been known to affect my Garmin during some of my runs there.

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Yes, I set to lap at 1 km. Quite accurate when I run the same route many times and using the mapmyrun website to check.

However, recently i find myself very very fast, according to the watch. Anyway, I use it now to pace myself.

In CBD, the NTUC building has been known to affect my Garmin during some of my runs there.

roger, you sound as though you have improved so much that its almost impossible... :tongue_smilie: maybe you did improve... anything is possible... :smilie_daumen1:

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i dont know about the rest but i have serious problem locating the satelites during the CBD runs..need to have a clear sky, and also the instant speed for garmin is not so accurate i think it lags abit however total avg speed is OK. Polar SD is really user friendly i like it that you can view all the lap data by pressing one buton. The garmin you got to plug it into comp to analyse the data. Also the garmin 305 buttons are damm stiff...you need to train your fingers to press them, i think they were built to MIL spec, the garmin is like bomb proof!

the garmin 405 have touch screen feature just like ipod... so you can just touch the outer watch surface clockwise or anti-clockwise to activate whatever functions... so damn cool lor... :Big Grin:

i'm not asking garmin 305 leh... i'm asking garmin 405 vs polar 800sd/g3... :tongue_smilie:

405 dun knowleh...haven't try... if 305 good... than maybe 405 oso good mah!

do you have problem getting the gps signal while you run? is it because you run in the open area where there are no buildings? :/

nolah...i use in MR no problem leh... for speed... u need to set it to lap every 1 km...than u can get somewhere accurate speed. got this tip from one website...

the first thing i got my polar and 305 is set metric at 1km lap set.

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i dont know about the rest but i have serious problem locating the satelites during the CBD runs..need to have a clear sky, and also the instant speed for garmin is not so accurate i think it lags abit however total avg speed is OK. Polar SD is really user friendly i like it that you can view all the lap data by pressing one buton. The garmin you got to plug it into comp to analyse the data. Also the garmin 305 buttons are damm stiff...you need to train your fingers to press them, i think they were built to MIL spec, the garmin is like bomb proof!

Can actually use the history to view the data on the watch.

nolah...i use in MR no problem leh... for speed... u need to set it to lap every 1 km...than u can get somewhere accurate speed. got this tip from one website...

Hehe, I set 1km interval for my runs and 5km intervals for my cycling.

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gps is know to have problem when there are high building.

so u cant really blame 305 for it...

i have a 305 and a polar 625... frankly speaking..i think the limits setting on the 305 is easier...

so both got pro and con...

if i run in dense jungle and quite open space (ie not much tall building) then 305 it is... else the polar footpod is the way to go...

here is a review btw 305 and polar 625.. the polar 625 clearly win in this case... in terms of distance accurary... imo... its just saying that the GPS signal suck in that area...

http://www.pccoach.com/newsletters/May06/C...S625XvFR305.htm

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gps is know to have problem when there are high building.

so u cant really blame 305 for it...

i have a 305 and a polar 625... frankly speaking..i think the limits setting on the 305 is easier...

so both got pro and con...

if i run in dense jungle and quite open space (ie not much tall building) then 305 it is... else the polar footpod is the way to go...

here is a review btw 305 and polar 625.. the polar 625 clearly win in this case... in terms of distance accurary... imo... its just saying that the GPS signal suck in that area...

http://www.pccoach.com/newsletters/May06/C...S625XvFR305.htm

wow... that's cool! thanks for sharing this... :smilie_daumen1:

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Yes, I set to lap at 1 km. Quite accurate when I run the same route many times and using the mapmyrun website to check.

However, recently i find myself very very fast, according to the watch. Anyway, I use it now to pace myself.

In CBD, the NTUC building has been known to affect my Garmin during some of my runs there.

roger, you sound as though you have improved so much that its almost impossible... :tongue_smilie: maybe you did improve... anything is possible... :smilie_daumen1:

I certainly hope so!

Anyway, I hope to get the cool-looking 405 and retire the 205 although the 205 has served me faithfully all these while. Anyone knows when we can get our hands on the 405 in SG?

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I certainly hope so!

Anyway, I hope to get the cool-looking 405 and retire the 205 although the 205 has served me faithfully all these while. Anyone knows when we can get our hands on the 405 in SG?

how long have you been using the 205?

i'm not sure when 405 will be available in singapore... i know they started selling in denmark... but in usa, it is not yet available...

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I certainly hope so!

Anyway, I hope to get the cool-looking 405 and retire the 205 although the 205 has served me faithfully all these while. Anyone knows when we can get our hands on the 405 in SG?

how long have you been using the 205?

i'm not sure when 405 will be available in singapore... i know they started selling in denmark... but in usa, it is not yet available...

U sure? It is available on Amazon alr lei :P

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I certainly hope so!

Anyway, I hope to get the cool-looking 405 and retire the 205 although the 205 has served me faithfully all these while. Anyone knows when we can get our hands on the 405 in SG?

how long have you been using the 205?

i'm not sure when 405 will be available in singapore... i know they started selling in denmark... but in usa, it is not yet available...

U sure? It is available on Amazon alr lei :P

i also know... i've placed my order... but if you read carefully, it said "available for pre-order"...

This item has not yet been released.

You may pre-order it now and we will deliver it to you when it arrives.

Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.

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U sure? It is available on Amazon alr lei :P

i also know... i've placed my order... but if you read carefully, it said "available for pre-order"...

This item has not yet been released.

You may pre-order it now and we will deliver it to you when it arrives.

Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.

Hmmm isit? cuz i know ppl who hv gotten it n using it alr lei... LOL ^_^

http://www.rei.com/product/767423

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U sure? It is available on Amazon alr lei :P

i also know... i've placed my order... but if you read carefully, it said "available for pre-order"...

This item has not yet been released.

You may pre-order it now and we will deliver it to you when it arrives.

Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.

Hmmm isit? cuz i know ppl who hv gotten it n using it alr lei... LOL ^_^

http://www.rei.com/product/767423

you bluff me leh... :P

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Yes, I set to lap at 1 km. Quite accurate when I run the same route many times and using the mapmyrun website to check.

However, recently i find myself very very fast, according to the watch. Anyway, I use it now to pace myself.

In CBD, the NTUC building has been known to affect my Garmin during some of my runs there.

roger, you sound as though you have improved so much that its almost impossible... :tongue_smilie: maybe you did improve... anything is possible... :smilie_daumen1:

I certainly hope so!

Anyway, I hope to get the cool-looking 405 and retire the 205 although the 205 has served me faithfully all these while. Anyone knows when we can get our hands on the 405 in SG?

Sorry for interrupting the thread, just wanted to ask if anyone knows how to alter the scale of the pace vs time chart for the Forerunner 205? When I upload the data the chart scale is so big I can hardly even see the distinctions even between running and cycling. I think somebody mentioned previously that the software was rubbish.

PS: I did notice that the Garmin Forerunner 205 does tend to give overly slow pace readout when running on steep slopes or steps (it's not due to slowing when running uphill because it happens when running down slopes too, unless I really run fast down the slope). I'm not sure if it measures distance only as horizontal distance covered. It also gives from time to time apparently too fast/slow readings of pace when running under covered walkways. But it will correct itself fairly quickly and overall time and distance are fairly accurate. I was surprised by the large errors quoted in the article posted because I haven't experienced this.

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when i use 305, i dun really bother to see the graph. i just used the speed, distance and time when i run, which to me is pretty accurate compared to other brands. it also help to compile the total mileage for my run when i upload it to GTC.

i do not have to calibrate or do anything. just put it on, wait for the signal and run. i do have problems in getting signal, but so far it wasn't a big problem to me. all i need to do is turn on 30 mins before my run to get the signal first.

besides that, garmin is limit to max of about 65 km of running at one time. so if you are running 84 km, you need to stop it, and reset at half way point.

And of course the batt couldn't last for longer ultras. Max 12 hrs of run? If you run more that, most prob you need 2 sets of 305.

It does happened to me that I forgot to charge it the night before my run. Felt very disappointed when the 305 batt was weak. I felt that I can't run without it! I am looking forward to have a garmin which could last like normal watch.

the only main problem that i have right now, is that i depend tooo much on 305 that i can't run without it! and that is sad! :(

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My 305 is almost 3 years old, so it's almost time for an upgrade :Drooling:

Been reading rave reviews from 405 users in the States

User 1:

I received one last week..have used it on 3 runs...best running accessory I have ever purchased! I owned the 201, which I loved the feedback, but it was just too large. This thing is amazing..normal size watch, very sensitive gps receiver (locates the sats in 20 seconds!) and the touch bezel is easy to use...wireless sync to your pc when you get within 10 feet of your computer. Very nice watch.

User 2:

Have to agree that it's pretty great. I don't use it all the time, but when I do it does a good job of keeping satellites, even in New York's urban canyons -- something the 101 and 201 struggled to do.

User 3:

Mine took about 3 hours to charge fully the first time but significantly less after that (although I haven't charged it from 0% again).

It takes less than 5 seconds to pick it up the satellite. I was actually able to pick it up inside my house just goofing around.

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I certainly hope so!

Anyway, I hope to get the cool-looking 405 and retire the 205 although the 205 has served me faithfully all these while. Anyone knows when we can get our hands on the 405 in SG?

how long have you been using the 205?

i'm not sure when 405 will be available in singapore... i know they started selling in denmark... but in usa, it is not yet available...

I have been using the 205 for about 1.5 years. My 201 had been a disappointment. My replacement is now with a good friend who is faithfully running in it.

It would be nice if we could pool together to get it somehow.

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I just got my 405 in Perfect Watch in Sim Lim so surprise!!! Initially only want to get the 305 tonight, but when I reach there saw the 405 selling, of cause get the latest once :) according to them they start selling 405 few weeks ago.

Still charging, can't wait to run with it tomorrow.

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I just got my 405 in Perfect Watch in Sim Lim so surprise!!! Initially only want to get the 305 tonight, but when I reach there saw the 405 selling, of cause get the latest once :) according to them they start selling 405 few weeks ago.

Still charging, can't wait to run with it tomorrow.

Cool! Do give us a review once you tried it.

Hehe, now you are getting all the Garmin x05 users excited. :)

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:Party:

I just got my 405 in Perfect Watch in Sim Lim so surprise!!! Initially only want to get the 305 tonight, but when I reach there saw the 405 selling, of cause get the latest once :) according to them they start selling 405 few weeks ago.

Still charging, can't wait to run with it tomorrow.

hey, how much you bought?

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WMM would also mean Qualifier to proof will later be cut from 7.5, to 7 to 6 to 5 and even 4, which in uncle's opinion if Singapore Marathon is to be a world-class Marathon Event deserving just like F1 Night Race, only for competitive reason, and already some have shown reservation that what happened if local participants not able to meet the minimum qualifier criteria, and for the first time, local cannot even participate in her own Marathon Event. The reality may be the truth. Progressive PB in 5km/10km/21km/42km Wheelchair are there. Choose your events that you can be better to qualify. If you are better to be in HM, then go for all HM, 10km or 5km. If you are youthful enough, then go and coach Kids Dash and be an inspiration for them. Cheer them and build a youthful running community. Upgrade most of the potential local events to IAAF Road Race Label. Already Great Eastern Women's Half Marathon is SA-IAAF Road Race sanctioned. Just up the Label to Gold. Perhaps, it is about time GE Women's Half Marathon can open to non-gender based participants (selective), since SCSM:WMM Qualifier to proof will be easier to verify who can and cannot be selected. Certain run events are meant for Community and Non-competitive, and SCSM once started from the reason for mess running. We call them "grassroot running events". As ambassadors of SCSM:WMM qualifiers, please lah, don't go to these "grassroot running events" and gate crash their events and win at all cost lah. Maybe, run with "one-legged" disadvantage lah, win community top 3 as though you must always be the champions...Give chance lah. not an entitlement for your personal PB. If you want to PB, run SCSM or any sanctioned race. If event is a non-sanctioned unlike SCSM or Great Eastern Women's Run, FB in consideration is always not accurate because the route is never right, and the event participants are never meant to qualify, so minus the element of competition. These event runners just want to have "community run" spirit. So don't push them to say, "Run lah, don't walk lah, keep left if slow lah....by the way, international traffic convention many be different in China (like US and Taiwan) slow is to keep right, so don't complain of your own entitlement. Your PB is affected not why the runners "block" your way, it is because, every runner has their "rights of way", slow or otherwise, the race is not for your SCSM:WMM, it is not a PB event for them, so please lah, don't bark at them, and say, "Don't you know how to run?" "Don't you know what is keep left?". Hope these runners show you middle finger 🖕, and we know that is directed to you personally...and you deserve to be one of a kind. Yes, reflect on ourselves, as runners, when we comment what is our interests, isn't we talking about our entitlements. When your point a finger at someone, four fingers curled and point back to you of what you shouldn't do. Let there be peace on Earth....are you doing something for sustainability for every race...if not yet, then channel into what runner yet to do....Care for Everybody on Running Course. Did we do this in scsm 2019...mmm..not really. Let us not be a Polluter for the running community as well as for the non-running community with our shower of criticism for an event that has disrupted and hurt them unintentionally. Let us remain an open channel of communication (as a community - event host, authority and ourselves) to bridge that one day, everything will be better and improved. Let's doze any fire that may spark another misunderstanding. Sometimes, it is best to Let It Go ("Frozen 1" theme). Well, we have Frozen 2 Some Things Never Change - It may be  our passion to run, but we may have overdone to have disrupt others because of our passion to run. Be mindful and consideration for others, that include your family and friends, because when you take away your time to run passionately, they also may also need you to be with them for many reasons - love and bonding. Remember, every action you take, one finger points forward, four fingers curled and point to yourself what you didn't do. This the time and spirit of giving - thanksgiving and christmas and happy new year. SCSM annual event  is held whether closer to December on 1st week of December, is always after Thanksgiving which is always the last Thursday of Every November. Some Things Never Change.  So be sensitive and considerate to others for other communities, for they start their festive season always before SCSM. They too have the right to celebrate their annual celebrations with their love ones, just like Ours - Some Things Never Change. Let there be Peace and Happiness be with All (Our Families and Friends) here and that include our Partners who are from the non-running community who are also entitled to their social and bonding with their Families and Friends.  Let It Go Some Things Never Change.  
    • Congrats to Pereira, Veronica Shanti, 200m Woman (Bronze). Seen Shanti in 2015, She had a gold. Consistent performer, and let's wish she can win a medal for 100 meters. Knew her coach, any raw "gem" when molded to be a champion or medal podium, will always be consistent in performance. Talent is also important for anything sports. That consistent in performance can also be seen in SohRunFaster...  
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