Jump to content

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Loon

Has anyone joined the Fifth Ray running programme?

Recommended Posts

Ahoy there

Just wondering if anyone has tried the paid subscription running programme by Fifth Ray led by Dr Tan? That's the one where you pay $150 for a month for twice weekly sessions. I looked at the programme and it is quite interesting. Am thinking of trying it out. Is there anyone in this forum who has done the programme or is in the programme and can offer some advice?

Muchas gracias :Big Grin:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Before you pay $$$ for a coach, you need to ask yourself - what are you actually trying to achieve? Is it a better technique, weight loss, personal bests or completing marathon?

There are lots of training programs - books or internet or better, join a running club or simply ask questions on this forum.

Running has a cumulative and compounding effect. The more you run, the better you will become (up to a certain point when the law of diminishing return takes over). More running (mileage) leads to 1) better endurance, 2) complements speed training, and 3) improvement in running economy.

Once you have reached your potential (self-coached), then getting a coach might be a good idea. A more structured, customized training program and advices on biomechanics etc might help you to break the barrier.

Just run, run, and run ! :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

All good points and thanks!! :Big Grin: Am thinking in terms of tweaking technique, and trying to run more efficiently. Not hoping to find a magic bullet but need to find a good balance between running and not killing myself in the process :Black Eye:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am all for paying to get the right kind of coaching for sports. For instance, have and will continue to pay for a coach in a couple of racquet sports and in swimming. Those are sports where proper technique is vitally important for performance and injury prevention. HOWEVER, I must say I am somewhat dubious about paying to join a running programme. You'll need to know what you will be getting and what you want out of it. Perhaps to start of, but not long term?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I am all for paying to get the right kind of coaching for sports. For instance, have and will continue to pay for a coach in a couple of racquet sports and in swimming. Those are sports where proper technique is vitally important for performance and injury prevention. HOWEVER, I must say I am somewhat dubious about paying to join a running programme. You'll need to know what you will be getting and what you want out of it. Perhaps to start of, but not long term?

hahaa...u mean for running, proper technique is "not" vitally important for performance and injury prevention

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

hi loon, i hv met a couple of ladies from fifthray @ adidas women's run -- led by dr. tan. they seem to be confident and enjoying their runs :cheers:

i m one who benefited from group runs when i resumed running in april06 after a long break. thanks to the kind souls @ running lab (funan, esp. eddie the lead) who tweak my form & techniques -- i m now able to enjoy my runs more (not as breathless & painful) :cheers: also, the sifus in this forum who share tips on improving speed... sometimes, by observing efficient runners, u will pick up a few tips urself!

watever ur decision, keep running :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Find out from participants of this program what's being taught and offered in the twice weekly sessions. If its a mere get together and run together session, than $150 is definately not worth it, you can easily join any of our running sessions depending on your location. If Dr Tan herself does go to individual personally to evaluate posture, techniques etc and detailed training principles are taught at each session, then yes it is worth to pay for this. Being a Kinesiologist (study of human movement) herself, Dr Tan is a very qualified personnel to correct posture and techniques.

I disagree about training yourself till you reach your potential then seek help from a coach. If one is determined to excel in high performance, then do not hesistate to seek professional help. Yes, you have to pay, but by all means pay for it becoz what you are getting is good quality advice and assistance (providing the person you seek help from is a qualified one lah).

Such programs usually consist of a pre and post training fitness test, customised training program to suit your committment level as well as your training status. If you are lucky, the specialist aiding you might even be trained in other areas like nutrition, sports psychology, strength and conditioning etc and can go even a step further to educate and assist you in these areas.

The only advantage of DIY which i can think of is tat its FOC. But if one can afford the services, I wont take the risk of trying to do things myself and getting injured/overtrained etc. As much as information can be obtained from books, magazines, internet etc, not everything is accurate. Some are pretty outdated stuff already. This forum is unique becoz there are pple like dkw, half-timer, taz etc who takes the effort to self-educate themselves from orthodox and updated sources of information. You dont find such pple all the time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Find out from participants of this program what's being taught and offered in the twice weekly sessions. If its a mere get together and run together session, than $150 is definately not worth it, you can easily join any of our running sessions depending on your location. If Dr Tan herself does go to individual personally to evaluate posture, techniques etc and detailed training principles are taught at each session, then yes it is worth to pay for this. Being a Kinesiologist (study of human movement) herself, Dr Tan is a very qualified personnel to correct posture and techniques.

I disagree about training yourself till you reach your potential then seek help from a coach. If one is determined to excel in high performance, then do not hesistate to seek professional help. Yes, you have to pay, but by all means pay for it becoz what you are getting is good quality advice and assistance (providing the person you seek help from is a qualified one lah).

Such programs usually consist of a pre and post training fitness test, customised training program to suit your committment level as well as your training status. If you are lucky, the specialist aiding you might even be trained in other areas like nutrition, sports psychology, strength and conditioning etc and can go even a step further to educate and assist you in these areas.

The only advantage of DIY which i can think of is tat its FOC. But if one can afford the services, I wont take the risk of trying to do things myself and getting injured/overtrained etc. As much as information can be obtained from books, magazines, internet etc, not everything is accurate. Some are pretty outdated stuff already. This forum is unique becoz there are pple like dkw, half-timer, taz etc who takes the effort to self-educate themselves from orthodox and updated sources of information. You dont find such pple all the time.

thx for the compliment, i must say i belongs more to the un-orthodox!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Find out from participants of this program what's being taught and offered in the twice weekly sessions. If its a mere get together and run together session, than $150 is definately not worth it, you can easily join any of our running sessions depending on your location. If Dr Tan herself does go to individual personally to evaluate posture, techniques etc and detailed training principles are taught at each session, then yes it is worth to pay for this. Being a Kinesiologist (study of human movement) herself, Dr Tan is a very qualified personnel to correct posture and techniques.

I disagree about training yourself till you reach your potential then seek help from a coach. If one is determined to excel in high performance, then do not hesistate to seek professional help. Yes, you have to pay, but by all means pay for it becoz what you are getting is good quality advice and assistance (providing the person you seek help from is a qualified one lah).

Such programs usually consist of a pre and post training fitness test, customised training program to suit your committment level as well as your training status. If you are lucky, the specialist aiding you might even be trained in other areas like nutrition, sports psychology, strength and conditioning etc and can go even a step further to educate and assist you in these areas.

The only advantage of DIY which i can think of is tat its FOC. But if one can afford the services, I wont take the risk of trying to do things myself and getting injured/overtrained etc. As much as information can be obtained from books, magazines, internet etc, not everything is accurate. Some are pretty outdated stuff already. This forum is unique becoz there are pple like dkw, half-timer, taz etc who takes the effort to self-educate themselves from orthodox and updated sources of information. You dont find such pple all the time.

thx for the compliment, i must say i belongs more to the un-orthodox!

orthodox enough to help me pass my biomechanics assignment :Big Grin:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
orthodox enough to help me pass my biomechanics assignment :Big Grin:

u r good in translating from un-orthodox theory to orthodox explanation...

back to this.....so far I only saw ladies joining, I wonder if any guy has joined before......i know we used to have a member who trained with her for his first marathon 2 years back

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
orthodox enough to help me pass my biomechanics assignment :Big Grin:

u r good in translating from un-orthodox theory to orthodox explanation...

back to this.....so far I only saw ladies joining, I wonder if any guy has joined before......i know we used to have a member who trained with her for his first marathon 2 years back

ermm i think its only for ladies right?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I disagree about training yourself till you reach your potential then seek help from a coach. If one is determined to excel in high performance, then do not hesistate to seek professional help. Yes, you have to pay, but by all means pay for it becoz what you are getting is good quality advice and assistance (providing the person you seek help from is a qualified one lah).

Such programs usually consist of a pre and post training fitness test, customised training program to suit your committment level as well as your training status. If you are lucky, the specialist aiding you might even be trained in other areas like nutrition, sports psychology, strength and conditioning etc and can go even a step further to educate and assist you in these areas.

The only advantage of DIY which i can think of is tat its FOC. But if one can afford the services, I wont take the risk of trying to do things myself and getting injured/overtrained etc. As much as information can be obtained from books, magazines, internet etc, not everything is accurate. Some are pretty outdated stuff already. This forum is unique becoz there are pple like dkw, half-timer, taz etc who takes the effort to self-educate themselves from orthodox and updated sources of information. You dont find such pple all the time.

http://www.humankinetics.com/IJSPP/viewart...fPsu67sMaJ2j62e

Training Characteristics of Qualifiers for the U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials:

For men and women, respectively, 49% and 31% did not have a coach and 65% and 68% trained alone.

And that's at Olympic Trial standard where every seconds improvement count....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I disagree about training yourself till you reach your potential then seek help from a coach. If one is determined to excel in high performance, then do not hesistate to seek professional help. Yes, you have to pay, but by all means pay for it becoz what you are getting is good quality advice and assistance (providing the person you seek help from is a qualified one lah).

Such programs usually consist of a pre and post training fitness test, customised training program to suit your committment level as well as your training status. If you are lucky, the specialist aiding you might even be trained in other areas like nutrition, sports psychology, strength and conditioning etc and can go even a step further to educate and assist you in these areas.

The only advantage of DIY which i can think of is tat its FOC. But if one can afford the services, I wont take the risk of trying to do things myself and getting injured/overtrained etc. As much as information can be obtained from books, magazines, internet etc, not everything is accurate. Some are pretty outdated stuff already. This forum is unique becoz there are pple like dkw, half-timer, taz etc who takes the effort to self-educate themselves from orthodox and updated sources of information. You dont find such pple all the time.

http://www.humankinetics.com/IJSPP/viewart...fPsu67sMaJ2j62e

Training Characteristics of Qualifiers for the U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials:

For men and women, respectively, 49% and 31% did not have a coach and 65% and 68% trained alone.

And that's at Olympic Trial standard where every seconds improvement count....

yah but it did not state whether did they consult exercise physiologist, biomechanists, nutritionist etc If you have an exercise physiologist to do blood profiling, Vo2max tests, then create a training program for you and teach you how to train from there, do you still need a coach to oversee your sessions?

in local context, endurance athletes like our triathletes who got gold and bronze in the 05 SEA games, same concept. No coach to oversee the entire training, they come for the testings and the exercise physiologist teach them how to train alone from there base on a individual customised program build from their fitness profile.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks everyone. As expected, great advice and certainly food for thought for both sides of the fence vis-a-vis whether to do the training or not. I guess I will probably give it a shot for a month and figure it out from there :Tounge: Well, if anyone's interested I could update on what the programme is about.

And if there's anyone on this forum who is in the programme, introduce yourself :Big Grin:

Loon

PS: Does anyone know who was featured in an SG Runners tee, running with her kids in the NTUC Lifestyle magazine (Oct)? Anyone else in this Forum who was also featured? :smilie_daumen1:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I am all for paying to get the right kind of coaching for sports. For instance, have and will continue to pay for a coach in a couple of racquet sports and in swimming. Those are sports where proper technique is vitally important for performance and injury prevention. HOWEVER, I must say I am somewhat dubious about paying to join a running programme. You'll need to know what you will be getting and what you want out of it. Perhaps to start of, but not long term?

hahaa...u mean for running, proper technique is "not" vitally important for performance and injury prevention

No lah, technique for running is definitely important......but just that I don't think it is that complicated to learn compared to other sports and perhaps can get by with talking to folk reading up. Still, $150 as a one off is certainly not too much to pay, IMO, if it helps you prevent injury. Definitely worth a go, from that perspective.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Think if one has the time+money, it's good to find a coach. Frankly, all humans know how to run but whether he/she is running correctly is a big issue. Wrong posture n stuff might not show any signs now but when one grows old, all the ailments will come haunting asking the price to be paid. N think proper coaching will help one to achieve one's goal in a more efficient way....

Erm... y not all the shifus here start coaching classes as well.... at a cheaper rate? I'll be the first to register :Big Grin:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Think if one has the time+money, it's good to find a coach. Frankly, all humans know how to run but whether he/she is running correctly is a big issue. Wrong posture n stuff might not show any signs now but when one grows old, all the ailments will come haunting asking the price to be paid. N think proper coaching will help one to achieve one's goal in a more efficient way....

Erm... y not all the shifus here start coaching classes as well.... at a cheaper rate? I'll be the first to register :Big Grin:

PM me if you are interested, $250 for a 3-month program, im a qualified sports scientist :Big Grin:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
PS: Does anyone know who was featured in an SG Runners tee, running with her kids in the NTUC Lifestyle magazine (Oct)? Anyone else in this Forum who was also featured? :smilie_daumen1:

Hehe, I think that is Brokie , our RSM u r talking about.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
PM me if you are interested, $250 for a 3-month program, im a qualified sports scientist :Big Grin:

:unsure: Will think bout it after my exams.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey Loon, why don't you come for the next adidas ladies run on 28 nov and you can talk to Dr Tan and also meet some of the girls who are in the program :)

Next run will be the Suntec route along Marina promenade.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
PM me if you are interested, $250 for a 3-month program, im a qualified sports scientist :Big Grin:

:unsure: Will think bout it after my exams.

Wah...personal coaching from our own Philip. No need to think about it la. :cool_grin:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
PM me if you are interested, $250 for a 3-month program, im a qualified sports scientist :Big Grin:

:unsure: Will think bout it after my exams.

Wah...personal coaching from our own Philip. No need to think about it la. :cool_grin:

u see me too high up, im very new in this field. Still pretty much a rookie actually.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
PM me if you are interested, $250 for a 3-month program, im a qualified sports scientist :Big Grin:

:unsure: Will think bout it after my exams.

Wah...personal coaching from our own Philip. No need to think about it la. :cool_grin:

u see me too high up, im very new in this field. Still pretty much a rookie actually.

No, lah. I believe the man who calls himself a qualified sports scientist. How many of us can? ^_^

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
PM me if you are interested, $250 for a 3-month program, im a qualified sports scientist :Big Grin:

:unsure: Will think bout it after my exams.

Wah...personal coaching from our own Philip. No need to think about it la. :cool_grin:

I'm not questioning bout Philip shifu's professionalism. It's me tat I'm considering coze need to do a thorough planning n work out the time to go serious on it.... dun wanna end up disappointing the coach, waste his time, n later disappointed with myself.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.



×
×
  • Create New...