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Standard Chartered Singapore Marathon 2020 - 5 Dec - 6 Dec (Sat - Sun)

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Government will address traffic jam problems with SCSM organisers

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 Supporting with Celebration and Festivities

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So lots either change of route or lesser events that day... but I am sure people will be more wary this year when the notice of SCSM comes online...

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On 1/10/2020 at 9:10 AM, AutumnRunner said:

So lots either change of route or lesser events that day... but I am sure people will be more wary this year when the notice of SCSM comes online...

1. Note the change from "IAAF" to "World Athletics"

2. Schedule for World Athletics is up to Sept for 1st Half, 2nd Half is from Oct to March.

3. SCSM FB says "Mark Calendar" because this is when submit for Calendar, this is to be reflected in Dec 2020, which is not out officially.

4. However, based on the details which were extracted, it is better to "prepare" what is to be expected.

5. Yes, noted change is 5KM (officially a new Distance category) is to be start on 5 Dec (Saturday) morning at 8:30am. 10KM (already an existing  World Ranking Road Race) is to start on 6 Dec (Sunday) at 6:30am.

Unlike in 2019:

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6. It will be interested to note that Platinum Label Road Race starts from 2020. 

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Application for Platinum Labels shall only be accepted from races that have been Gold Label for at least 3 consecutive years (2017-2019)
 

SCSM is definitely can be qualified for Application for Platinum Label.

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4 hours ago, AutumnRunner said:

So lots either change of route or lesser events that day... but I am sure people will be more wary this year when the notice of SCSM comes online...

Not possible to have lesser events... how are you going to control so many stakeholders' plans?

Change of route is more likely... stretch more to less crowded areas like ECP.... and more media announcements on road closures....

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Routes sanctioned for World Athletics Label Road Race must be applied ahead for SCSM 2020: 5KM (new), 10Km, Marathon 42.195KM. 

Any changes made different from 2019 will be measured:

Without accurate measurement of road race courses, and the development of accurate timing for road races, it would
never have been possible for the World Athletics to recognise World Records for performances on the road. 

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Road course measurement using a bicycle equipped with a Jones Counter; which is still today the only means of measurement accepted by the World Athletics for the accurate measurement of Road Race Courses.


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Likely that 2018/2019 Routes remain the same.

FYI.

 

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No doubt, the measurement of road race courses in SCSM is accurate, and it's trustworthy. The GPS watch will be less accurate when runners pass through CBD area.

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Everything You Need to Know About Running 6 Abbott World Marathon Majors

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(info: https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a28307813/world-marathon-majors-faq/)

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Goal of Completing all the World Marathon Majors

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AbbottWMM, Wanda Group and Ironman

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(info: https://www.runottawa.ca/news-item/abbott-world-marathon-majors-2020)

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SCSM - Selection Candidate for Abbott World Marathon Major Series

(extracted info - https://www.todayonline.com/big-read/big-read-big-business-marathons-without-public-support-spore-organisers-cant-get-piece)

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On 1/10/2020 at 2:10 PM, beast said:

Not possible to have lesser events... how are you going to control so many stakeholders' plans?

Change of route is more likely... stretch more to less crowded areas like ECP.... and more media announcements on road closures....

One government.... so I believe it's possible...

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14 hours ago, AutumnRunner said:

One government.... so I believe it's possible...

Joint Operations Committee - SCSM organiser, LTA, Traffic Police, SportSG and the Singapore Tourism Board engagement

(extracted info - https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/traffic-congestion-bid-elevate-spore-marathon-one-worlds-premier-races-will-inconvenience)

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In my opinion, road closure issue at CBD cannot be resolved at all. Non-runners will NEVER be understanding. These can be seen 1) NDP held either at Padang or Floating Platform 2) Spore F1 Night Race where there are still alot of complaints about jams or affecting nearby business. So what's new?

I believe in Beast's sharing of stretching to ECP to lessen the traffic impact. No complaints? Impossible.

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Road Traffic Act (Pedestrian Crossings) Rules: Who are the Pedestrians

(extracted from info -  updated to 2019 - https://sso.agc.gov.sg/SL/RTA1961-R24)

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Handling of Road Closures are the matters of LTA and Traffic Police (with 500 auxiliary police).

Joint Operations Committee - SCSM organiser, LTA, Traffic Police, SportSG and the Singapore Tourism Board will have to engage actively with the stakeholders (both social and commercial) for 2020 - has been decided by the Authority (Parliament).

I believe in Beast's sharing of stretching to ECP to lessen the traffic impact. No complaints? Impossible.

Definition of who are the Pedestrians whether in CBD or ECP is the same. Complaints are always there both in CBD and ECP.

Suggestions on the change of routes are possible, since ECP has been included in past SCSM editions. However, due to upgrading of ECP in recent year (and also possibly in 2020), the route to ECP in 2019 has been shortened.

Notable positive factor: WMM has planned to expand to 9 cities on top of the present 6. Singapore and China (Chendu Marathon) are candidates for city or cities in Asia (outside of Japan), and Ironman Asia is working towards achieving making Singapore Marathon's bid to be part of the WMM by 2021. 

Impossible? Everything is Possible. Nothing is Impossible. Non-runners will NEVER be understanding. Actually, they just need more time to understand with proper communication and information with "active engagement" sessions in this sgRunners forum. 😀

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There is a saying:

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But in this case for SCSM, you can't please all of the people all of the time. The govt agencies and SCSM will just need to make sure there is plenty of notification about the event on social media, newspapers, TV and radio + STB and LTA need ensure it is on their calendar and other relevant calendars. At least most people will know about it even if they're not happy about it.

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@Lady Ice, very impressed with Income Eco Run over the years...

 

Zero Waste initiatives... any plans for 2020 SCSM you would like to share...

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On 1/13/2020 at 9:09 AM, AutumnRunner said:

One government.... so I believe it's possible...

You really think the government can and will control the number of events happening on 5 Dec evening? They can and will control the number of couples going to hold weddings in town, the performers coming here to put on concerts, the groups that are going to hold events like AFA.....?

I don't know what to say if you really think the government is going to do that.....

 

20 hours ago, kohpapa said:

I believe in Beast's sharing of stretching to ECP to lessen the traffic impact. No complaints? Impossible.

Definition of who are the Pedestrians whether in CBD or ECP is the same. Complaints are always there both in CBD and ECP.

There will still be complaints of course, but it should be less disruptive to the non-runners as it is away from the city area.

Otherwise what other alternatives are there? Run from town to Changi and back?

 

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1 hour ago, beast said:

Run from town to Changi and back?

Then probably some spectators will complain that the race venue is too far, very inconvenient to access there. 

We can't make 100% people 100% satisfied.

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1. You really think the government can and will control the number of events happening on 5 Dec evening? They can and will control the number of couples going to hold weddings in town, the performers coming here to put on concerts, the groups that are going to hold events like AFA.....?

Events for the future, are very unpredictable...die die also must get married - Act of God - in the Philippines...happened.

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So dec 5, will there be a tsunami event then? die die also must get married - Act of God?

2. Otherwise what other alternatives are there? Run from town to Changi and back?

Sundown Marathon past editions, yes.

3. Then probably some spectators will complain that the race venue is too far, very inconvenient to access there. 

SCSM past editions, coaches actually ferry spectators to ECP and cheer the runners, and return to Padang.

4. We can't make 100% people 100% satisfied.

At least, try to make the event less disruptive and inconvenient for most.

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16 hours ago, kohpapa said:

@Lady Ice, very impressed with Income Eco Run over the years...

 

Zero Waste initiatives... any plans for 2020 SCSM you would like to share...

 

I do like that Income Eco highlights some aspects but really wish they would do far more. Whilst the stats might sound impressive - the truth is there is a lack of transparency down the line.

There is very little demand for PET bottles and would be interested with whom they are selling the bottles to as we export our plastic abroad and that currently sits at 4% with the majority of that coming from Industrial plastic waste. Talked to a couple of the resellers and they would not take the plastic bottles from SCSM as they said it will be incinerated and we would therefore have to pay them to take them!!!  I even said I would take off the labels and caps to give them a pure product (different plastics to the bottles). They still refused to take the bottles. The Waste Management companies we have worked with at both Sundown and SCSM both said the plastic bottles were not worth it!!! We did manage to repurpose about 4,500 plastic caps in 2019. In 2018 we did manage to find 2 companies to take about 10,000 plastic bottles to use in art!

As for the paper cups - have noted they have a waxy lining which could be plastic or a petroleum based wax lining. If they are "recycled" they will be exported to most likely Malaysia as China wants the waste paper to be 99.5% pure paper! Hence there is still a carbon pollution element. Really want the Eco side to be much more. But have given up with them as had deaf ears.

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15 minutes ago, Lady Ice said:

I do like that Income Eco highlights some aspects but really wish they would do far more. Whilst the stats might sound impressive - the truth is there is a lack of transparency down the line.

There is very little demand for PET bottles and would be interested with whom they are selling the bottles to as we export our plastic abroad and that currently sits at 4% with the majority of that coming from Industrial plastic waste. Talked to a couple of the resellers and they would not take the plastic bottles from SCSM as they said it will be incinerated and we would therefore have to pay them to take them!!!  I even said I would take off the labels and caps to give them a pure product (different plastics to the bottles). They still refused to take the bottles. The Waste Management companies we have worked with at both Sundown and SCSM both said the plastic bottles were not worth it!!! We did manage to repurpose about 4,500 plastic caps in 2019. In 2018 we did manage to find 2 companies to take about 10,000 plastic bottles to use in art!

As for the paper cups - have noted they have a waxy lining which could be plastic or a petroleum based wax lining. If they are "recycled" they will be exported to most likely Malaysia as China wants the waste paper to be 99.5% pure paper! Hence there is still a carbon pollution element. Really want the Eco side to be much more. But have given up with them as had deaf ears.

Thanks for your updates..

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you mentioned in your forum thread "Cycling"...option to waive the finisher tee and medal for zero waste...has this or can this be done in scsm?

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Have already put this in their heads when met with the team after in December. Have a meeting with them in mid-February and will push this harder and if I succeed, you will see this within registration ;)

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