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2XU Compression Run Singapore 2020 -> Postponed to 11 Apr 2021 -> Converted to Virtual Run

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Been reading runners comments in the official 2XU FB. Understand their frustrations as 2XU race is not cheap.

I don't expect them to give full refunds as they are not like Sundown or Income Eco, both who have strong financial backing. At least Safari Zoo Run, also organized by Pink Apple, was able to provide partial refund and complement with access to all 4 wildlife parks.

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12 hours ago, sicklycat said:

Ok, I read through their FAQ, and found the line I dreaded... It'll be tough for me to do 21k at one go, without drinks station, etc support :sorry:

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How the 🤬 did I miss the most important point? 

Ans: Probably because the FAQ was not updated when I posted my update. :geek:

Yeah, it will be hard for me too given my current level of training. I'm sure it's the same for a lot of other people too. So unless they changed their policy, a lot of registered HM runners will probably end up not running at all. 

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On 4/8/2021 at 8:06 PM, sicklycat said:

Ok, I read through their FAQ, and found the line I dreaded... It'll be tough for me to do 21k at one go, without drinks station, etc support :sorry:

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With all the unhappiness bombing Pink Apple FB page, I wondered how likely Pink Apple will rescind this rule and allowed multiple runs.  

Of course, if their system is unable or incapable of accepting multiple results, then I guess it will be untenable. 


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Wait, why is the fees the same as an actual race with support? 

$70 for a medal, a singlet and a T-shirt, and without a race environment and support, is expensive to me.

Glad to see you back, lonewolf. It has been a while. 

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On 4/7/2021 at 11:45 AM, lonewolf said:

Pink Apple has been a sort of a 'gold standard' when it comes to organising mass running event. But I feared that their reputation may have been tainted. Most of us are reasonable people. If you explain your stand clearly and rationally, some of us (maybe not 100% but there will be some) will understand and continue to support. 

Stay silent and keep quiet and give us the silent treatment and 100% of us will be pissed at them. :growl:

Sorry but to me Pink Apple has long lost that credibility long ago. 2XU run is one of their pet event every year and I don't think they did a good job in 2019 and a couple of years earlier.

When mass running event opens up again, I can foresee race organizers charging more and cutting even more corners than pre-covid times, which makes participating these runs less attractive than before. So save for a few major events each year, I am probably going to just save my money and run my own virtual races, rather than overpaying for bad race organizations.

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1 hour ago, beast said:

Wait, why is the fees the same as an actual race with support? 

$70 for a medal, a singlet and a T-shirt, and without a race environment and support, is expensive to me.

Yeah. Agree. I think it is just a case of the Race Organiser taking the opportunity to chop some carrot heads to make up for the revenue shortfall from COVID.

1 hour ago, beast said:

When mass running event opens up again, I can foresee race organizers charging more and cutting even more corners than pre-covid times, which makes participating these runs less attractive than before. So save for a few major events each year, I am probably going to just save my money and run my own virtual races, rather than overpaying for bad race organizations.

I feared that you are right in your assessment. From the organiser POV, they will say if virtual race (without log support) can charge $70 (for HM), then for a fully supported race, can easily charge 1.5x - 2x more. 

Actually, your post makes me think, what would be a reasonable fee for a HM virtual race? 

Maybe, when I'm free, I would do a comparison with the other HM virtual races. Just to have an idea of the current market rate. 

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8 hours ago, lonewolf said:

Yeah. Agree. I think it is just a case of the Race Organiser taking the opportunity to chop some carrot heads to make up for the revenue shortfall from COVID.

I feared that you are right in your assessment. From the organiser POV, they will say if virtual race (without log support) can charge $70 (for HM), then for a fully supported race, can easily charge 1.5x - 2x more. 

Actually, your post makes me think, what would be a reasonable fee for a HM virtual race? 

Maybe, when I'm free, I would do a comparison with the other HM virtual races. Just to have an idea of the current market rate. 

To me, these are the max fees that I find acceptable for local runs. Anything beyond these rates, I would have to think hard and twice if there is any strong reason as to why I should pay more for it (like a route that has rarely been used, attractive finisher item designs etc)

With race support:

10km - $40
21km - $60
42km - $80

Virtual Run: $10 base fees + $10-20 for finisher items + shipping
 

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15 hours ago, beast said:

Wait, why is the fees the same as an actual race with support? 

$70 for a medal, a singlet and a T-shirt, and without a race environment and support, is expensive to me.

Glad to see you back, lonewolf. It has been a while. 

That's true...

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On 4/9/2021 at 8:58 AM, lonewolf said:

With all the unhappiness bombing Pink Apple FB page, I wondered how likely Pink Apple will rescind this rule and allowed multiple runs.  

Of course, if their system is unable or incapable of accepting multiple results, then I guess it will be untenable. 

 

I'm not very hopeful they will change their mind though... Let's see!

 

P/S: I went to check out their FB page, and its mostly participants having issues logging in to verify their particulars, or asking for a refund (coz fees are too high for a VR).

My guess is many may not know yet, that they need to complete the entire distance at one go - especially those who signed up for HM :unknw:

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Pink Apple has caved! Now multiple submission is allowed (up to 6 entries)! 

In addition, those who signed up for the race in 2019/2020 will be given a race entry for the next physical race. 

May be an image of 2 people and text that says "CONYSN RUN RUN VIRTUALRUN VIRTUAL For 2XU COMPRESSION RUN 2020 participants who signed up in 2019 and 2020 You will be given free entry to the next physical 2XU Compression Run, pending Government guidance. This includes entry to the race day event, race day timing results, physical race bib, and sponsor items (if any) only. A complimentary spot for the 2XU COMPRESSION VIRTUAL RUN 2021. Please log in (bit.ly/2XUVR /2XUVR .erify) to register."

May be an image of 1 person and text that says "COMHELU RUN RUN VIRTUAL 2XU COMPRESSION VIRTUAL RUN 2021- (2) Submitting Your Entry Entries are allowed to be split up to 6 times when you take part in any of the 2XU COMPRESSION VIRTUAL RUN 2021 race categories (l.e. You may split your 21.1KM run across 6 different runs). All entries must be recorded within the period of 2021. April 2021 to 20 June Qualifying entries are to be submitted within the period of 26 April 2021 to 20 June 2021."

I guess it's part of Pink Apple's effort at damage control and appease some of those who has signed up. Of cos, it's impossible to please everyone but if they made less people unhappy with the above, then I think it's a good move on their part.

Personally, I was not even going to verify my participation because it will be extremely difficult to run a HM distance in one go. Now that we can submit multiple entries, I will definitely it a go. :gym:

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4 hours ago, lonewolf said:

Pink Apple has caved! Now multiple submission is allowed (up to 6 entries)! 

In addition, those who signed up for the race in 2019/2020 will be given a race entry for the next physical race. 

May be an image of 2 people and text that says "CONYSN RUN RUN VIRTUALRUN VIRTUAL For 2XU COMPRESSION RUN 2020 participants who signed up in 2019 and 2020 You will be given free entry to the next physical 2XU Compression Run, pending Government guidance. This includes entry to the race day event, race day timing results, physical race bib, and sponsor items (if any) only. A complimentary spot for the 2XU COMPRESSION VIRTUAL RUN 2021. Please log in (bit.ly/2XUVR /2XUVR .erify) to register."

May be an image of 1 person and text that says "COMHELU RUN RUN VIRTUAL 2XU COMPRESSION VIRTUAL RUN 2021- (2) Submitting Your Entry Entries are allowed to be split up to 6 times when you take part in any of the 2XU COMPRESSION VIRTUAL RUN 2021 race categories (l.e. You may split your 21.1KM run across 6 different runs). All entries must be recorded within the period of 2021. April 2021 to 20 June Qualifying entries are to be submitted within the period of 26 April 2021 to 20 June 2021."

I guess it's part of Pink Apple's effort at damage control and appease some of those who has signed up. Of cos, it's impossible to please everyone but if they made less people unhappy with the above, then I think it's a good move on their part.

Personally, I was not even going to verify my participation because it will be extremely difficult to run a HM distance in one go. Now that we can submit multiple entries, I will definitely it a go. :gym:

Yippeess!!!

I actually verified my HM participation - Was going to challenge myself, and see if I can ramp up mileage within the event dates. Haha! 80

So now I can choose to still challenge myself, or split it into multiple runs :thumbsup:

I suspected they may cave in on the rule of completing the full distance at one go... But I thought they will just allow maybe 2 different runs? 6 different runs is a huge change!

I feel that with their massive changes, they would have appeased majority of runners, who had issues with high cost of VR... Then again, no one knows for sure if they will hold a physical run anymore! 8)

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16 hours ago, sicklycat said:

I suspected they may cave in on the rule of completing the full distance at one go... But I thought they will just allow maybe 2 different runs? 6 different runs is a huge change!

Yeah. I also think allowing 6 runs is over-generous. A more reasonable number would be 4. But I suppose by allowing up to 6, it is still up to the individual how he want to challenge himself. 

16 hours ago, sicklycat said:

I feel that with their massive changes, they would have appeased majority of runners, who had issues with high cost of VR... Then again, no one knows for sure if they will hold a physical run anymore! 8)

Pink Apple is just kicking the can down the road. 

Imagine giving the 10,000+ runners who registered in 2019/2020 a free entry to the next physical run. That's easily a few hundred K of lost revenue (even if only half take up the offer)

How would they make up for the shortfall? :unknw:Maybe they will charge $50 for a 5K, $75 for 10K and $100 for the HM. :money:

 

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uncle who had made previous posts on this event, and with the following updates made...

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On 4/17/2021 at 11:02 AM, lonewolf said:

Yeah. I also think allowing 6 runs is over-generous. A more reasonable number would be 4. But I suppose by allowing up to 6, it is still up to the individual how he want to challenge himself. 

Pink Apple is just kicking the can down the road. 

Imagine giving the 10,000+ runners who registered in 2019/2020 a free entry to the next physical run. That's easily a few hundred K of lost revenue (even if only half take up the offer)

How would they make up for the shortfall? :unknw:Maybe they will charge $50 for a 5K, $75 for 10K and $100 for the HM. :money:

 

Kudo credited : International runners from Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia will be entitled for free mail delivery service.

The shortfall There will be those who sign-up for the Virtual Run in 2021 who will get discount for the next physical run...and many new entrants are from both Local and Overseas for the next physical run...

Yes, Pink Apple has the financial means because they have built up "loyalty" in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia.

For those who have signed up, enjoy up to maximum of 6 submissions...initially Virtual Race [1 submission] which has become Virtual Challenge [multiple submissions]...

submissions start from April 26...according to updates from FB.

Congratulations on your finisher entitlements and a free entry for the next physical run. 😃

The next physical run will be a new normal of future races with Covid-19 Safe Event Management. Again when that happens, we still don't know.

 

 

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