Soh Rui Yong vs The Rest of the World : )

[kohpapa]

maybe this one was the condition set forth as the legal "resolution" since last year (2019) between SOH and SA...(see the reported info on previous post - Was there an issue between SA and Soh? what was the social media dispute with SA is and with whom?)

as long as Mr Malik was not present...the new SA Committee...

latest - 

RESOLUTION is swift and immediate...

 if SOH should want to run for Commonwealth Games 

 

it is still a challenge and motivation ahead for him...against the best of the Commonwealth Nations...vs The Rest of the World : )

Edited October 19 by kohpapa

[kohpapa]

On 10/13/2020 at 4:21 PM, AutumnRunner said:

yup.... it has been rather quiet so far on this case...

maybe we look at the legal process in-progress...

"defamation -> filed counterclaims"...Soh is a defendant as well as plaintiff...

it will take a longer...but, again, the matter can be resolved SWIFTLY and IMMEDIATELY with mediation out of courts such as...Legal letter to Soh sent as a last resort...WITHDRAWN...

A version of this article appeared in the print edition of The Straits Times on September 04, 2020, with the headline 'Legal letter to Soh sent as a last resort: Liew'. 

Later there was a clarification note...

eat ! as defamation and filed counterclaims...TO BE CONTINUED...  

Edited October 18 by kohpapa

[beast]

On 10/17/2020 at 12:19 PM, lonewolf said:

Very nice to read the resolution between SA and SRY.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but I can't help but feel that Malik's departure from SA was not entirely voluntary. 

I think it's painfully obvious what kind of character this Malik guy is when he (not sure if any of the exiting committee was with him as well) still had to stab Soh in the back on the last day of their service...

I don't think @kohpapahas any "juicy insider" grapevine on this Malik guy, do you kohpapa? 

[beast]

On 10/17/2020 at 2:14 PM, kohpapa said:

 if SOH should want to run for Commonwealth Games South Africa 2022 Marathon...

 

it is still a challenge and motivation ahead for him...against the best of the Commonwealth Nations...vs The Rest of the World : )

https://www.englandathletics.org/athletics-and-running/news/2018-commonwealth-half-marathon-selection-policy

He did say his goal was to qualify, not necessary to win a medal...

With 2:22:00 as the qualifying time, yes he does need some work to reach that goal...

 

[kohpapa]

51 minutes ago, beast said:

I think it's painfully obvious what kind of character this Malik guy is when he (not sure if any of the exiting committee was with him as well) still had to stab Soh in the back on the last day of their service...

 

let's look at Mr Malik's SA appointment prior being the Executive Director..."relinquish his role as SA's vice-president (training and selection)..and pass to Mr Ang Peng Siong...

 

 

 

"stab" is not a word to describe Mr Malik because as a VP (training and selection) he did not appeal for re-nomination when SNOC turns down SA's SOH Nomination...but instead invoke "Disciplinary Issues" on account of SNOC's character attack on SOH due to he challenged on SNOC's investigation of Liew's Good Sportsmanship Award is not very "Truthful"...Liew did not SLOW DOWN...of course to "mock" the President of SNOC, Mr Tan Chuan Jin, Mr Malik's Employer Big Boss...to discipline or not to discipline...you go and figure...SA Code of Conduct...

Since the Resolution between SOH and SA is over, uncle would want to put HISTORY aside, but if what you want to know about what Mr Malik did to SOH and kena DEFAMATION...

https://www.runsohfast.com/post/claim-for-defamation-filed-against-malik-aljunied-of-snoc-and-singapore-athletics

 

Thank you for England Athletics standards...

https://www.englandathletics.org/athletics-and-running/news/2018-commonwealth-half-marathon-selection-policy

It is common for Singapore Athletics to select - based on the Bronze medal from the previous Games Record...

hence, 2:19:36 (bronze) is taken as a benchmark...for SOH's selection...

but again, if there is no Local Marathoner able to get close to the Bronze Medal...SOH's 2:23:42 will be likely given consideration...unless SOH make it a challenge...qualify with honour...

Edited October 19 by kohpapa

[lonewolf]

1 hour ago, beast said:

He did say his goal was to qualify, not necessary to win a medal...

With 2:22:00 as the qualifying time, yes he does need some work to reach that goal...

 

And it's all conjecture of cos but surely having to face a defamation suit from an ex-team mate and potential disciplinary proceeding from the same association that is supposed to be supporting you, cannot be conducive for an amateur runner. 

[kohpapa]

it is all....because of what you said in social media...if you look at on the broader context...how saga can lead to the next...

FB, Instagram, Twitter, WhatsApps, blogs, even in Forum...expressed with diverging opinions , fill-in of emotional and subjective reasonings...lead to misunderstandings...

as we have been cautioned to all in this forum thread...don't anyhow say say...especially while the Courts are contemplating and pending in any decision...

otherwise to be kena sued until bankrupt until your pants dropped...

better eat ... as the drama of defamation and filed counterclaims...TO BE CONTINUED... 

better if we can all come to the end of the forum thread soon...2020.

Edited October 19 by kohpapa

[beast]

13 hours ago, kohpapa said:

"stab" is not a word to describe Mr Malik because as a VP (training and selection) he did not appeal for re-nomination when SNOC turns down SA's SOH Nomination...but instead invoke "Disciplinary Issues" on account of SNOC's character attack on SOH due to he challenged on SNOC's investigation of Liew's Good Sportsmanship Award is not very "Truthful"...Liew did not SLOW DOWN...of course to "mock" the President of SNOC, Mr Tan Chuan Jin, Mr Malik's Employer Big Boss...to discipline or not to discipline...you go and figure...SA Code of Conduct...

Since the Resolution between SOH and SA is over, uncle would want to put HISTORY aside, but if what you want to know about what Mr Malik did to SOH and kena DEFAMATION...

https://www.runsohfast.com/post/claim-for-defamation-filed-against-malik-aljunied-of-snoc-and-singapore-athletics

 

 

https://www.englandathletics.org/athletics-and-running/news/2018-commonwealth-half-marathon-selection-policy

It is common for Singapore Athletics to select - based on the Bronze medal from the previous Games Record...

hence, 2:19:36 (bronze) is taken as a benchmark...for SOH's selection...

but again, if there is no Local Marathoner able to get close to the Bronze Medal...SOH's 2:23:42 will be likely given consideration...unless SOH make it a challenge...qualify with honour...

Soh vs Malik... OK understand Malik did not appeal for Soh to SNOC, and wanted to enforce "disciplinary actions" against him for Liew's lawsuit, most likely because of SNOC's chairman Mr Tan (his ex-boss, and friend friend buddy buddy?)... but still, don't understand, why on his last day of tenure, decided to kick off disciplinary proceedings against Soh, and have to leave it to Lien Choong Luen to undo the damage? Not sure what to call that except "stab"...

Selection criteria... I was under the assumption that, disciplinary or whatever external reason aside, as long as an athlete meets the qualifying criteria for an international sports event, he/she should be given the chance to take part? For events like SEA games, I can understand if the selection is a more stringent to ensure that we send only the best to compete, but Commonwealth Games is much harder to qualify and there is still an even harder target of top 3 in previous game to meet in order to be selected? In the last Olympics, I remembered we sent a women marathoner Neo Jie Shi over simply because she met the criteria of being in top 10 in the open category of SCSM, but her timing was never ever going to help Singapore get any medals...

[kohpapa]

maybe this one helps...the juicer version

it is about a social media incident that triggers...

from a whistle blower...

so you see...in SAA...nothing is safe and secret...that is why...uncle knows all...

a bro said so...

alamek, uncle also kena BANNED in SAA...blacklisted...because uncle knows...

Edited October 19 by kohpapa

[kohpapa]

1 hour ago, beast said:

Soh vs Malik...

in case you want to know more...

https://www.runsohfast.com/post/update-on-malik-aljunied-lawsuit-he-s-late-again

1 hour ago, beast said:

but Commonwealth Games is much harder to qualify and there is still an even harder target of top 3 in previous game to meet in order to be selected? In the last Olympics, I remembered we sent a women marathoner Neo Jie Shi over simply because she met the criteria of being in top 10 in the open category of SCSM, but her timing was never ever going to help Singapore get any medals...

Nomination by (National Sports Association) NSA, but final selection and decision is approved by SNOC...

Just like why 2019 SEA GAMES Marathon...

how did Gordon Lim and Loh Yuting (Men's) got Selected and represent Singapore...you mean Mr Ang Peng Siong (as VP - Training & Selection)...was clearly responsible for nominating them...sorry to say...Mr Ang Peng Siong was always in Swimming (Pool) and not in Running (Tracks)....and no worry Mr Ang will hate uncle for saying, remember...we are bros...sports fraternity...but different sporting activity only...

Just wish SOH can do his best lah! To be the First Local Marathoner to be in

because he is the best qualified...winning a Medal is secondary...

Edited October 19 by kohpapa

[AutumnRunner]

verdict still not out right?

[kohpapa]

fun meal and chat with SA President Lien Choong Luen..

 

uncle was invited this Friday, 13 Nov 730pm via Zoom video conference

1. Welcome Address
2. Introduction to Technical Committee
3. Multiyear Sports Plan – MYSP
4. Code of Conduct / Code of Ethics
5. TO Pathway

one of the topics of interest will be Controlled access to Competitions...

another week of positive development for the Athletics Community....

Edited November 10 by kohpapa

[AutumnRunner]

enjoy the video conference and do update us if there are any new updates in the running world...

[kohpapa]

special interest to all...Soh Rui Yong's chance to be selected for SEA Games 2021...

at least 2:35+...from 5% of 3rd placed performance at the last SEAG in 2019...

at the Seoul Marathon on Sunday (March 17)...2019...

 

 

Edited November 13 by kohpapa

[AutumnRunner]

oh... so means automatically qualify?

[kohpapa]

selection for other Track & Field events will be determined for Trial in Nov 2020 and Jan 2021...followed by recommendation for Selection to be SEAG 2021...only SNOC will determine if SOH will be qualify

SA doesn't make decision, only selection SOH for recommendation, SNOC decides...so what do you think, even if SOH's timing has not only met but exceeded SEAG 2019 Gold Medalist timing...the only authentic reason was...SOH was never in SEAG 2019...

[lonewolf]

The drama continues.  

Marathoner Soh Rui Yong alleges judge hearing fellow athlete’s libel suit against him is biased, should step aside

• Dr Ashley Liew has sued Soh Rui Yong for defamation after they both competed in the marathon at the SEA Games in 2015
• Dr Liew won sportsmanship prizes for his actions in the race, but Mr Soh has publicly disputed the actions
• After eight days of hearings, Mr Soh alleges District Judge Lee Li Choon has displayed bias towards Dr Liew
• The ‘crux of the dispute’ is the two runners' pace, but the judge had refused expert advice and eyewitness testimony, he added
• Dr Liew’s legal team will be filing a reply on the recusal application to be heard in court, but had no further comment

Full Story: Marathoner Soh Rui Yong alleges judge hearing fellow athlete’s libel suit against him is biased, should step aside

[kohpapa]

The full text...

 

uncle agrees with this one...

pace is distance and speed...also determines endurance capability of an athlete...GPS records are denied for the day when the incident took place...then what else...subjective judgement that Liew slowed down, and so the court decides...Liew wins..

remember, there was no decision on judgement on Distruct court yet...so...Soh can request for re-trial, and yes, a change of Trial Judge...

this case surely can go to High Court...so eat !

 

Edited November 13 by kohpapa

[AutumnRunner]

I was quite shocked when I read that the judge doesn't allow the actual facts and figures... there are always many perspectives to see the same issue so usually as many facts and figures submitted will allow a holistic judgement... again I am not a professional in the legal system so my thoughts definitely are not worth any cents... haaa....

[beast]

150 page affidavit? Wow, if Soh didn't choose to be a sportsman, he could well be a lawyer himself...

[lonewolf]

23 hours ago, beast said:

150 page affidavit? Wow, if Soh didn't choose to be a sportsman, he could well be a lawyer himself...

It's unlikely that he wrote it on his own. It's mostly the works of his lawyers. 

And if I'm not mistaken, affidavit are usually not single-spaced paragraphs (the way a book or a news article is typically written). So it's probably not a long as it sounds. 

[kohpapa]

it doesn't matter...who write affidavit (unless in Self wants to defend ownself in Court),  very high chance SOH wants the matter to be heard at High Court..

in Soh's FB.. he strong supported...High Court's decision on this matter...

now, that will be leave it to Ashley Liew and Legal Counsellor, let's go to High Court and settle this matter....

eat , the matter is not over yet...because $$$$$$$ money will be at stake...of course, both legal counsellors from both sides will be happy to draft 1,500,000 page affidavit ...

Edited November 16 by kohpapa

[AutumnRunner]

looks like this will be another long winded case... initially thought can end off before 2020....so that everyone can close case and start anew in 2021 for the SEA games .

[kohpapa]

On 11/16/2020 at 5:19 PM, AutumnRunner said:

looks like this will be another long winded case... initially thought can end off before 2020....so that everyone can close case and start anew in 2021 for the SEA games .

yes, uncle returns to SA...to serve since after 2015 SEA Games...

 
SOH returns to SA...to race for Singapore since after 2017 SEA Games (missing from 2019 SEA Games)

SOH can continue with the following incentives and benefits...

 

 

of course to don with Under Armour...SA's Apparel Sponsor...when representing Singapore in the World's Sports Events...except non-IAFF (World Athletics) sanctioned events... 

will this happens again...Under Armour ... .. like with 2XU? 

well...2021...uncle wishes SOH all the best in his running career...to race against the Best of the World...

of course, with a gf and close friend, very likely of marriage and forming a family....

embarking on professional coaching career in future or a Sports Run Academy

Announcement - uncle also will exit from this forum, because in SA's Code of Conduct for Officials, uncle shall not engage in any social media or offer comments or personal suggestions for any conflict of interest for the SA's Affiliates (SA Members, ActiveSG, SportSG, NROC [by virtue of uncle's role once in SG-Coach fraternity] and World Athletics).

It has been interesting twists and turns of events, and uncle says...It is great also to return to sgRunners almost spending a full year 2020 with all (all events cancelled because of Covid-19)....celebrated uncle's 10th year Anniversary at sgRunners.

Good Bye and best wishes to All.

 

Edited November 20 by kohpapa

[AutumnRunner]

On 11/20/2020 at 11:28 PM, kohpapa said:

 

Announcement - uncle also will exit from this forum, because in SA's Code of Conduct for Officials, uncle shall not engage in any social media or offer comments or personal suggestions for any conflict of interest for the SA's Affiliates (SA Members, ActiveSG, SportSG, NROC [by virtue of uncle's role once in SG-Coach fraternity] and World Athletics).

It has been interesting twists and turns of events, and uncle says...It is great also to return to sgRunners almost spending a full year 2020 with all (all events cancelled because of Covid-19)....celebrated uncle's 10th year Anniversary at sgRunners.

Good Bye and best wishes to All.

 

Oh... that will be a loss to the forum runners here...