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Extracted from the Straits Times: 

Athletics: SEA Games champ Soh Rui Yong sends legals letters to SNOC, Singapore Athletics


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agreed on what you have said...better have "source" of reference..because there are several instances of current court proceedings which we do not get ourselves involved...and therefore...we have been cautioned to not to partake in any stand on any party..whether SA, SNOC, Ashley Liew vs SRY...we don't really want to take any side...we merely present the facts...

and uncle being involved in SA as official in competitions...have met the key holders...as well as being Coach...met and knew who are the Coaches..as well as National Athletes under them...of course, did not meet SRY personally, because he raced mostly overseas...

what uncle meant is that...there will soon be a qualifying mark for upcoming SEA Games (at least must be of Bronze level in previous SEA Games)...SA should have announced for "trials" and athletes (card system - do not want to say too much, too technical) must meet the deadline...and surely, SRY must want gear up for it...let's say is SCSM 2020 if there should be an elite-run only and if he is invited...that will be great...

of course, with the upcoming SA Elections (after the shocking withdrawal of the incumbent committee, whom uncle knew who they are)...it is important to know..which new committee shall be taking over...VP of Competitions shall have an hand in the qualifying matters...simply trials are held, and timing are taken according to World Athletics (formerly IAAF)...

SRY needs to be qualified...and to be recommended by the new SA (whoever wins...) of course, whether SNOC will "endorse" like in 2019...

chances that the TeamSgp Athetics led by Edmond Pereria is formiable.. and would definitely include Ang Peng Siong (why does an ex-National Swimmer got to do with Athetics)...again, based on uncle's limited information..just merely a "speculative" remark..

of course, with the pending legal matters with Ashley Liew... and what happens if the verdict is "there is really no Sportsmanship effort as evidence by Ashley - slow down"..then who will be next...given say a counter-lawsuit proceed by SYR ...then shall be vs SNOC...with reasonable doubt, will SNOC strip off that "Sportsmanship" Award from Ashley Liew because SYR won the "truth" of the matter...see I told you so...it is the "truth"...lol

Saga...saga.. uncle witnessed from last time SAAA...then SAA...now SA...soon maybe Singapore with no Athletics...Ang Peng Siong, maybe you can come to advise Athletics...how to Run better..

uncle's comments are solidly personal...and please don't sue until uncle's "portable pants" till bankrupt.ok? 

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1 hour ago, kohpapa said:

what uncle meant is that...there will soon be a qualifying mark for upcoming SEA Games (at least must be of Bronze level in previous SEA Games)...SA should have announced for "trials" and athletes (card system - do not want to say too much, too technical) must meet the deadline...and surely, SRY must want gear up for it...let's say is SCSM 2020 if there should be an elite-run only and if he is invited...that will be great...

of course, with the upcoming SA Elections (after the shocking withdrawal of the incumbent committee, whom uncle knew who they are)...it is important to know..which new committee shall be taking over...VP of Competitions shall have an hand in the qualifying matters...simply trials are held, and timing are taken according to World Athletics (formerly IAAF)...

SEA Games qualifying mark has always been the same. What would differ is the qualifying period, which SA will release to the public (so even if they don't want Soh to know, Soh will still know). If Soh manages to race a marathon within the qualifying standard and is faster than the qualifying standard (high chance) and the top 2 fastest in SG, he is likely to be nominated. I am personally of opinion that his past transgression (as claimed by SNOC) were 'punished' by his 2019 Sea Games omission, and therefore should not be used for any possible 'punishment' for 2021 Sea Games.

Also incredibly unlikely that they would force everyone to come down to the same location for a trial to face off against each other, we have athletes located in other countries (Cheryl Chan - steeplechase/1500m, Lui Yuan Chow -1500m both in Australia), similarly we may end up having a situation where Serena Teoh (whilst working overseas) popped out of nowhere to qualify like in 2019...

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of course, with the pending legal matters with Ashley Liew... and what happens if the verdict is "there is really no Sportsmanship effort as evidence by Ashley - slow down"..then who will be next...given say a counter-lawsuit proceed by SYR ...then shall be vs SNOC...with reasonable doubt, will SNOC strip off that "Sportsmanship" Award from Ashley Liew because SYR won the "truth" of the matter...see I told you so...it is the "truth"...lol

Even if the court case between Soh and Ashley goes south for Ashley, there is very little Soh can do to sue SA, because it merely acted based on the sworn declarations. If however, SA is found to have lied, coerced witnesses to lie, then they will be taken to task by SNOC and possibly CPIB, totally not in Soh's hands. The only way for SA to get counter-sued by Soh is for them to come out and say stupid things again (please Malik, you already make Soh rich enough)

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uncle's comments are solidly personal...and please don't sue until uncle's "portable pants" till bankrupt.ok?

no one say anything close to that la... don't get so nervous.. we are all fans of the sports.. I also have been helping out for some time already.

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fyi:)

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given the Covid-19 situation...travelling for race or even arriving from overseas to race...

let's hope Singapore Best Qualifier for Marathon is represented, and not because "power politics"...shall we..

meanwhile, at SRY FB...

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lol..covid-19 new hobby..."felt almost as good as winning the SEA Games Marathon!"...at least winning the SEA Games Marathon is still driving SRY...👍

again, reminding all here...due to the impending legal cases...we merely present opinions which are based on facts and not "speculation" because it involves almost all stackholders..The Authority, The National Sports Body, The Committee, Officials, Coaches and Athletes, and involve third-party Clubs aka Members, now we have a New Player (to challenge SA to represent the current Committee by Elections)...tied up with webs of layers of Affiliations (whistle-blowers included)..Sports Fraternity (alliance ever shifting)...oldies vs the youngs...no ending...

as such, uncle will present what's is the most current happenings, based only on published facts...and leave personal feelings...aside...less even to be a critic...without understand the known facts or reasons...less to judge or even conclude...

like SNOC (on SRY) as the Authority...

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just treat this forum thread like...let's eat 🍿, and enjoy a jolly good ride on the chain of events...just sit on both side of the fences...be neutral...be happy..😀

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1 hour ago, kohpapa said:

fyi:)

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given the Covid-19 situation...travelling for race or even arriving from overseas to race...

let's hope Singapore Best Qualifier for Marathon is represented, and not because "power politics"...shall we..

Strange, because I see marathon races starting up again, especially overseas. Many of these races become 'elites only', whereas some countries just open up fully to whoever is in the country (like Taiwan, their Standard Chartered - bronze label race is open for registration from the end of this month). Also, don't be fooled by the wordings that SA wrote.. It is unlikely that this 2 trials are qualifications trials in the same vein as the USA Olympic trials... SEA Games 2021 starts on 21st Nov, close to a year away. Stating it as 'qualification trials' merely hints that the qualifying window has opened.

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again, reminding all here...due to the impending legal cases...we merely present opinions which are based on facts and not "speculation" because it involves almost all stackholders..The Authority, The National Sports Body, The Committee, Officials, Coaches and Athletes, and involve third-party Clubs aka Members, now we have a New Player (to challenge SA to represent the current Committee by Elections)...tied up with webs of layers of Affiliations (whistle-blowers included)..Sports Fraternity (alliance ever shifting)...oldies vs the youngs...no ending...

as such, uncle will present what's is the most current happenings, based only on published facts...and leave personal feelings...aside...less even to be a critic...without understand the known facts or reasons...less to judge or even conclude...

But then you mention something about Soh counter-suing SNOC with regards to the Sportsman award? Hmm... "who will be next" comes under opinion or speculation 😅

 

But yeah, agreed on your last paragraph, Soh vs Ashley case coming to an end tmr, with Soh giving testimony. Hope the truth prevails. Will be interesting to see both sides' comments after the judge gives the verdict. Lots of popcorn in the next few days 🍿

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to answer why run events are starting at full swing with Covid-19...

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reading on the text of SNOC on SRY... uncle quote from the full text 

"Mr Soh's continued refusal to acknowledge that he was wrong in his allegations about Mr Liew."

and

His (Mr Soh's) rejection of the opportunity to retract and withdraw his false allegations,

Reflects poorly on him as an individual and as an athlete who is supposed to serve as an example to the sporting youth of his country"

even on the outcome of Liew vs SRY...win or loss...

uncle quotes again from the NROC text

"Mr Soh's allegation in effect implied that SNOC's ....

(SNOC) As a public institution tasked with approving selection of athletes to represent Singapore at major Games"

speculation, judgement...is that SRY must want NROC to "retract" these alleged statements...legally...this was according to a comment made by a public member from SRY's FB...to advise legally...perhaps..from wrong to prove right....false allegations are actually right and the truth ...SRY is not a poorly athlete as an example of sporting youth of the country (Singapore)...

wah imagine uncle kena likedat, dive into Bedok Reservoir and never be floated for life....except during 7th month hungry ghost..then run... 

of course, some will start to conclude...abuthen will SRY be included in 2021 SEA Games? 😀

eat 🍿 lah, see what happens lah...be happy!

Soh Rui Yong vs The Rest of the World : )...so happening...only @sgRunners 

 

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updates...

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aiya, eat more 🍿 lah, see what happens lah...

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update on 11/9...with The trial continues on Sept 24, with Soh expected to return to the stand...

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eat 1f37f.pngfrom Sept 24.. 

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2 hours ago, AutumnRunner said:

2 mins and 7 mins is a lot of difference....

"So last chance, Mr Soh, did you take two minutes or seven minutes to catch up to Ashley?"

 

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IMO there is no winner in this trial.

If Ashley succeeds, then SRY will need to cough up some monetary compensation. Both Ashley and SA will feels vindicated. 

If Ashley fails, SRY will be vindicated but then an aspersion is cast no only on Ashley and his integrity and account of the event, but the administrative integrity of SA and SNOC will also be called into question. 

Liew's witness - the runner from Cambodia Kuniaki Takizaki probably makes the most compelling case for Ashley since he was one of the competitors. Of cos, his claims that it was 'totally impossible' to catch up with Ashley if he was running is quite impactful. The other witness watching from the sideline is less so. 

So SRY will need to call his own set of witness who were also competing during the race.

 

 

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PAUSE..let's take a time-out break...

just go side track...SA Elections..Sept 25..

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the new SA (2020) must  "..get SA out of these court cases"..

Flash back...a year ago ++...relook at the timeline of events...

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onlinecitizenasia.com-Marathoner-Soh-Ruiso far, SRY vs SAA:

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meanwhile....SRY and SNOC...

pending...outcome of Liew vs Soh...or rather...Soh vs Liew...why?

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someone recently commented on Soh's Facebook...why Soh was mentioned as "Plantiff"...oh, yah..that one relating to another...

this trial may take a little longer...winner or loser...not yet decided...

eat 1f37f.pngfrom Sept 24  and Sept 25 lah... because 2 major events shall happen...that will decide the future of SYR...

from Sept 24: Continue the Trial - Ashley’s lawyer will have to prove Ashley "slow down"...and Soh's win is to have his lawyer discredit Ashley (whether got proof or not)...2 min vs 7 min...how to prove?

from Sept 25: new SA Committee must prepare for selection for 2021 SEA Games...will Soh be selected?

Soh Rui Yong vs The Rest of the World : )...so happening...only @sgRunners 

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On 9/13/2020 at 9:18 AM, lonewolf said:

IMO there is no winner in this trial.

If Ashley succeeds, then SRY will need to cough up some monetary compensation. Both Ashley and SA will feels vindicated. 

If Ashley fails, SRY will be vindicated but then an aspersion is cast no only on Ashley and his integrity and account of the event, but the administrative integrity of SA and SNOC will also be called into question. 

Liew's witness - the runner from Cambodia Kuniaki Takizaki probably makes the most compelling case for Ashley since he was one of the competitors. Of cos, his claims that it was 'totally impossible' to catch up with Ashley if he was running is quite impactful. The other witness watching from the sideline is less so. 

So SRY will need to call his own set of witness who were also competing during the race.

 

 

i believe both sides have their witnesses during the races.. let's just hope this will end soon and move on from there...

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Agree with bros lonewolf and AutumnRunner, there is probably no winner in this case. Both have contributed and represented country. Got to move on.

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meanwhile...SA Elections Sept 25..who is Team Group Up...

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who will be the best selection for Sea Games 2021 - Gold only potential...nothing less...

Flashback on events plaguing SA...

SA has been plagued by problems in recent years, with public spats between athletes such as Soh Rui Yong and Ashley Liew.

The NSA is currently embroiled in legal proceedings with two-time SEA Games marathon gold medallist Soh over comments made regarding his omission from the 2019 Games.

After the biennial Games in the Philippines last December, the NSA was chided by national sports agency Sport Singapore for internal discord, with three coaches resigning soon after.

The situation on the track was similarly disappointing, with the Republic's contingent bagging just three bronzes, after claiming eight medals (including two golds) in 2017 and nine (three golds) in 2015.

Last month, former SA vice-president Loh Siang Piow, better known in the fraternity as Loh Chan Pew, was sentenced to 21 months' jail for molesting a teenage athlete twice in 2013.

 

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I did not know about the online fund raising effort from SRY and personally I do not like how he phrased his online appeal. 

"If you would like to support my push for justice ...etc "

Pls lah. This is a civil case. What is he talking about?

He is the one being sued for defamation by Ashley. He is not the aggrieved party. What 'justice' is he talking about? 

A defence against a defamation suit is all well and good and he is entitled to it as accorded by the law.

But to call that defence a 'push for justice' is stretching it a bit. He sounds like one of those conspiracy nuts who think the whole world is out to get him, that he need to be silenced etc etc. 

Unfortunately, as much as all of us want an end to all these, the conclusion of this case is probably just the beginning.

Don't forget that SRY has filed a counter-suit against Ashley. And then the suit against the SA is still outstanding. 

I think we need to prepare lots more 🍿 for the coming months. :crazysmile:

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SRY who has a stake on future selection for 2021 SEA GAMES...in his FB..commented...

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so ST Virtual Run finisher 175KM...can be called as Ultra National Athlete...lol 

eat more🍿...who shall be the new SA Management Committee on 25 September...

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I honestly cannot relate why an athlete need to slow down for other competitors in a race when their competitors encounter unfortunate scenarios such as taking a wrong turn.

I understand that some athletes have this mindset that they must compete under the fairest conditions as possible, so that their win is more "honorable". Or maybe some athletes are just more compassionate than others. But there are so many uncontrollable factors and unforeseen circumstances in a race that it is simply impossible for a run to be 100% fair to all the athletes.

In a race, all the runner should just need to focus on is to give their best, and any deviations from that is a letdown to their training/ trainers, and their time and hardship that they have put in to prepare for the run.

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On 9/21/2020 at 4:56 PM, lonewolf said:

Another athlete slowed down during the Santander Triathlon 2020 when another competitor took a wrong turn.

The difference? It really did cost him a medal. :bling::crazysmile:

SOURCE: Diego Mentriga shows epic sportsmanship to James Teagle in Santander Triathlon 2020

 

EXACTLY........ When I heard this news on Monday, immediately I connected it with this topic here....... 😅

In my personal opinion, if a slower but lucky athlete slows down for the faster but unlucky one, it indicates that the slower runner just wants to slow down with AWE, he/she would feel shameful if he/she wins the game due to opponent’s fault...

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🍿 time today...

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what Soh has acheived in 2019...

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evidence submitted...

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let's say, Soh's normal competitive race pace is at 3 min 25 sec for every KM...for first 30km...

last chance....did Ashley Liew slow down 2 mins or 7 mins....for Soh (who was the eventual champion for the race) to catch up ...

🍿🍿 vs 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

 

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I think only Ashley himself really know if he did really purposely slow down or not. 

While I admire SRY on his achievement and humility even as a champion, there could be chance he may have observed wrongly especially from a distance.

Then this whole issue becomes just a misunderstanding.

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