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If SCSM wants to go the way of elitism and raise the bar to sub 6 or even below, those who can't 'qualify' can always opt for Sundown. I won't blame them for raising their standards and I believe there are always other better races to participate.

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Thank you, @starfinder, for you had been asking about alternative Marathon if Sundown Marathon is good also for anything Marathon.

We at 2020 Sundown Marathon did say something negative, due to its proven inability to have had an unforgettable having force runners to "drink toilet water", perhaps 2020 Sundown Marathon could be a better choice for Community Run. The timing of start from 10pm, 11:30pm and 12:30pm were never complained by the public and on wee hours of Saturday Night and early Sunday Morning, normal Social Events in the past were never being impacted.

Even, in the public outcry in recent days, "Can you runners Choose this timing of start, besides 6pm (peak hour), can you please pick 8pm (F1 Night starts also at this hour), 10pm, 12 midnight, 2am, 4am and 6am. Why can't SCSM must start at 6pm, but why not after 6pm?

Now, isn't this build "bridge" of reconciliation. We listen to what is the real issue, but we work with what we can do (last option - we need to revert to Day meaning Sunday), but can we choose 8pm, this is still evening run? right? to minimise disruption.

Sundown Marathon does not have any issues, yes, uncle would encourage for those who have no option for an overseas Marathon, then Sundown Marathon is here to stay. Yes, cheap entry at $65 for Marathon, if uncle knows and some more, definitely with the absence of most muslim runners who said, "Why held at Hari Raya Eve?"...well uncle would expect, Drinks and Hydration, Nutrition and otherwise, plus with the negative publicity of "boycott", every participant at upcoming Sundown Marathon, nobody will gate crash with you. You have an open space to run/walk and yes, if you want to play "rat and mouse" like take short-cuts....volunteers tend to zzZZZ...if need information how to play "rat", can contact uncle for tips...haha...uncle will also show how to sleep also and still able to complete the route..

 

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For some who had been actively in running, because it is passion to run.

Uncle share with all (and others who are guests of the forum), why it is still good to stay active..

Found an interesting article this morning on why we have pains and we, as from different age-group runners, how we have "coped" with aging natural inflamation and muscle mass loss "better" if we are actively running.

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Let us here be constructive contributors to those who want to learn to be ACTIVE again. We merely facilitate that transfer knowledge of why we run and understanding to all to "build" the bridge of communication.

"Why we run" is not so much about WMM (which some of us agreed is the Event Host and perhaps the Authority has over hyped), but encouraging more ACTIVE reasons to join us (not because evening run is better for more participation), but because we care for an aging population, so everyone can stay ACTIVE SG as a Nation. SCSM:WMM is just a hall mark to say, we can achieve World's Major status, because all of us excel beyond the expectation of not only to stay ACTIVE, but competitively to extend our SCSM:WMM venue for more ACTIVE World, to show to us, after all there are World ACTIVE age-group runners who also can perform as though they are aged 25s.

If Communication is properly channeled, why this was not propagated in the first place: First is to point all the fingers, why didn't we?

Ironman races (mutli-event) has always format in Age Group categories. Qualifier to proof as Age Group can be considered for the purpose of entry as well as Pen Start.

Pick an age group of your choice, take an ACTIVE challenge for the PB, and you can proudly say, I can PB like aged 25? That will be an ACTIVE statement, a goal-setting preposition. You want to START and the rest is the challenge in ACTIVE running (progressive PB)

* Warning: Please consult your physician before engaging in any ACTIVE SG especially endurance race like Marathon. We don't encourage "uplorry" events during the Marathon. You know, closures of roads and human jams can make "uplorry" procedure very uncomfortable. We prefer you not to plan "It's The End" finale to be in SCSM:WMM.  We call that INACTIVE Irresponsibility.

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Thank you @starfinder, @SG RED DEVIL, @activerun. I hope one day to be able to sit back and proudly see a Clean Green Marathon.

If you are interested in what was happening on trying to bring an eco-awareness to the event, here is my write up: https://tyrelady.wordpress.com/2019/12/09/86-singapore-marathon-event/ 

Will be meeting with the organisers to push forward with further actions. Thank you to everyone who has supported and shared my environmental concerns as we move forward to making our world a more sustainable environment for our future generations. And @kohpapa - thank you for the music :)

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This is what will be expected for the new WMM Age Group Qualifier:

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Fyi to all. Uncles and Aunties run like in their 25ers.

 

This one will be what is in the WMM World Championship.

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wmm age group

 

Info: https://www.worldmarathonmajors.com/agwr/how-it-works/

"Even my Grandmother can run faster than you is true." :) 

Enjoy.

 

 

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Uncle would like to give credit to 2 of our nation's marathoners who did their best in 2019 SEA Games : Alvin Loh Yuting and Gordon Lim

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Alvin Loh Yuting (info - https://secondwindnation.com/alvin-loh-yu-ting-sea-games-marathon/)

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Gordon Lim (Info - https://secondwindnation.com/gordon-lim-surprise-sea-games-marathon/)

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May we be inspired by your determination to do your best. Thank you for representing the Nation.

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On 12/8/2019 at 1:41 AM, starfinder said:

If SCSM wants to go the way of elitism and raise the bar to sub 6 or even below, those who can't 'qualify' can always opt for Sundown. I won't blame them for raising their standards and I believe there are always other better races to participate.

If you look at the results and say there were 14 thousand marathon runners..... you will see only about 5,500 runners have made it under 6 hours. That is a lot of revenue to drop. Closing down roads as @kohpapa will tell you is expensive easily running into the millions

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Although it is new debut for these marathoners, I am glad they are given a chance to represent SG. Their timings are all very good in my opinion. Of course I do support Soh too. Wish them all the best.

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38 minutes ago, starfinder said:

Although it is new debut for these marathoners, I am glad they are given a chance to represent SG. Their timings are all very good in my opinion. Of course I do support Soh too. Wish them all the best.

Given the kind of stress they feel,  it's good enough to hsve such timing 

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Central to the topic of interest: Road Closure and Who is the Authority (Decision)?

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What is expected in Road Closure for Event?

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What is important in IAAF Road Race Label Rules for Road Closure.

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SCSM is driving towards the "Platinum" label as entry for WMM in 2021.

fyi, when you sign up for run race, previous experiences of "route" from sgRunners' feedback is important. Running on walking path is never "encouraged", unless this is a recreational run especially at PCN Connectors.

Expect that Routes sharing with Bikes and PMDs will have a set of rules from 2020. Yes, Bikers and PMDs can also complain about Runners about their entitlements. 

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Why is the Authority (whoever the Stakeholders) are so hype about "Platinum" label aka WMM.

Cities/Countries which are ready for "Gold" label upgrading to "Platimum" aka WMM (Selection)

 

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Closer to us, Asia: Tokyo Marathon 2020, Major WMM, Host of Olympics 2020 a selected trial for WMM World Championship. Runners can qualify for the 2020 race by nailing the following times, broken down by age group: 18 to 34 years old (3:00 for men, 3:30 for women) 35 to 39 (3:05 for men, 3:35 for women)

1) Marathon: 7 hours; Wheelchair Marathon: 2 hours and 10 minutes.
2) 10km Race: 1 hour and 40 minutes; Wheelchair 10km race: 35 minutes.
* The time limits are based on the gun time.
* The cut-off time will be enforced at each checkpoint due to reasons of traffic control, security, and event operation.
* Runners who fail to pass through the checkpoint before the cut-off time will be disqualified from the race. Furthermore, runners who lag excessively behind the cut-off time pace may be stopped to leave the course at anytime.

Maximum Paricipation: 37,000 (Marathon - both HM and FM)

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So wonder why, "Evening Run will actually attract More" Participation and Qualifiers.

When we are "selected as trial", hopefully from 2020, 2021 cut-off time naturally will 7 hours or less "to finalise the trial" to entry WMM

Collaborative effort of the Authority with the Nation must be part of this effort as shown by the Government of Spain. That will be missing communication in 2019 SCSM. "Simi sai is WMM?" "How would a sai tang run WMM benefit the Public?" "Why the ultra-national level of Road Closure is beyond the F1 Night Race and NDP?" "Who is that Authority that Grant the Permission?" Leave the matter to the Authority to settle to the Public.

As a run community which provides the forum is to info, listen, seek levels to fill the gaps of what is and what is not (fake news);

  • Advise to running partners (newbies or those who have passion to run to live ACTIVE and to compete safely that includes injury management issues - "no pain no gain" is never advocated);
  • Advice on "Race Routes" by race organisers (quality vs non-compliance; sanctioned competitive vs recreational/grassroots), example, Sundown Marathon, offered "previous" routes, hydration and nutrition issues, who's who in the race organiser profile;
  • Pricing
  • Greater Earth Sustainability,
  • Education (Injury Management, Nutrition and Hydration, Running Gears, Training and Race Strategy). 

Invite previous forummers  (founders) who once "created" SgRunner forum from 2005/7 to 2010 to be such active running communities. Notice from "Guest List", they are viewing events as well as chats of the past, which uncle fondly remembered, "Woodcutter Trial Run" was one of the past events which uncle took almost 1/3 of Forum Thread (as usual - silly chat) to explore and hilarious encounters of wild animals and "ghostly" encounters.  PM and invite them to share, and just say Hi (1 post). Some of these previous forummers posted like more than 10,000 to 15,000, meaning they had contributed for at least a decade worth of knowledge and experience. Please, join us also. Thank you.

Uncle ends with this motivational reason why the Authority wants us to believe in WMM is the better way to upgrade the status of running for passion with this challenge : (marketing hype - of course lah)

For those who are able, Go for IT! Yes, bring your national flag along. You deserved it! :)

 

 

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10 hours ago, AutumnRunner said:

Given the kind of stress they feel,  it's good enough to hsve such timing 

You are right! It is already very good timing. I can't even dream of that!

 

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Why WMM over IAAF? Think you'll find that is down to how WMM markets and promotes those cities that are in this exclusive club. Especially with medal chasers.

Look at who is in this exclusive club....2 major financial hubs, and with Brexit - perhaps Berlin is set to be a financial hub. Assume being part of the WMM will also come with a fee. So between IAAF and WMM, the STPB would find WMM more attractive and this would give Singapore special recognition in their want to progress with greater sporting achievements. Joseph Schooling's Olympic win, allows more to dream big.
Image result for which are world marathon majors

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1 hour ago, Lady Ice said:

Why WMM over IAAF? Think you'll find that is down to how WMM markets and promotes those cities that are in this exclusive club. Especially with medal chasers.

The shorter answer may be there are many IAAF races but only 7 WMM (at the moment).

So its a combination of scarcity and prestige. 

And one more thing. STPB no more P liao. STPB was established in 1964. Nowadays it just STB (since 1997!):crazysmile:

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1 hour ago, lonewolf said:

The shorter answer may be there are many IAAF races but only 7 WMM (at the moment).

So its a combination of scarcity and prestige. 

And one more thing. STPB no more P liao. STPB was established in 1964. Nowadays it just STB (since 1997!):crazysmile:

Ok - so am old lah 😛 - been  on this forum for far too long...

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16 hours ago, Lady Ice said:

Why WMM over IAAF? Think you'll find that is down to how WMM markets and promotes those cities that are in this exclusive club.

my dear @Lady Ice, let uncle explains simply...

Abbott World Marathon Majors Wanda

The Abbott World Marathon Majors is a series consisting of currently 7 of the largest and most renowned marathons in the world.

Wanda Group or Dalian Wanda (Chinese: 大连万达), is a Chinese multinational conglomerate based in Beijing.

China's Wanda buys Ironman Triathlon owner for $650 million.

Wanda’s business enterprise is to widely market global extreme, endurance sport in the world.

Wanda 大连万达 markets and promotes those cities that are in this exclusive club, Abbott World Marathon Majors.

Ironman Triathlon is the Event host for SCSM and subsequently an entry candidate in consideration to join Abbott World Marathon Majors.

Our Authority seizes the golden opportunity what is about Abbott World Marathon Majors via Ironman (aka Wanda subsidiary) hosting SCSM.

IAAF provides the sanctioned Road Race Labels (Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum) Rules and Regulations to any country which want to host must meet the strict selection trial required as entry to the Abbott World Marathon Majors. Invitation to World ranking runners must be regional, not continental only is what the objective of the Platinum Label (new category for those IAAF Road Race Gold Label) starting in 2020.

Singapore, being having the financial resources, has the advantage. The disadvantage is the size of participants. In order to increase the size and qualifying runners, she needs to invite regional runners to participate. Expect STB no more Promotion loh (like what @lonewolf said) is to aggressively Promoting the Hub of Marathons of SEA to the World.  

Mok and Soh had been SEA Marathon Champions. So the Platinum Label which also requires a Race Championship for SEA Best Runners category, fits the IAAF's objective of a regional representation, not continental-based.

Soh (or even Mok) can be the Ambassador as well as the Defending Champion of SEA Marathon Contingent.

sgRunners, Advisory Running Partner to SCSM-Abbott World Marathon Majors Wanda initiative.

We hope that the Authority can take more concerted marketing efforts to inform and promote to the Nation why SCSM entering Abbott World Marathon Majors Wanda is a landmark for Singapore Marathon:

* We have the Regional Defending Champions.
* We have the Resources.
* We have the Venue.
* We have the IAAF route (Gold to Platinum Label).
* We have the Ironman (Vanda subsidiary) as Host.
* We need to have more Participants and Qualified Runners. (Why not race in the Evening?)

The only missing stakeholder is the Outcry of the Citizens of the Nation that are not aligned with the Authority and the Running Community on why we want to have Abbott World Marathon Majors Wanda on Saturday Evening (First Sat/Sun of Every December).

We must continue to build the "bridge" for better communication, in collaboration with the Authority, looking forward to 2020.

Meanwhile, everyone must prepare to chong 4:00:00 - FM (not HM). Some here already are almost there. We are proud of you.

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Now that you are excited about what is ahead of 2020, uncle shall end last post in this forum with this local run video production which have inspired uncle to Run Around Singapore.

 

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A trans-Singapore FM route for your consideration.

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Wishing all, your families, a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. 

End.

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On ‎12‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 8:43 PM, Lady Ice said:

If you look at the results and say there were 14 thousand marathon runners..... you will see only about 5,500 runners have made it under 6 hours. That is a lot of revenue to drop. Closing down roads as @kohpapa will tell you is expensive easily running into the millions

That's less than half of runners doing a sub 6 FM.

But then again the humidity killed many runners..

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Were there many runners who actually DNF? I saw there were some who went to medical aid but actually overall, I think not that many. When you ran at ECP or Marina East areas, it is very hard to fall out of the race as you have nowhere to go. No choice but to endure all the way.

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17 hours ago, kohpapa said:

Now that you are excited about what is ahead of 2020, uncle shall end last post in this forum with this local run video production which have inspired uncle to Run Around Singapore.

 

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A trans-Singapore FM route for your consideration.

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Wishing all, your families, a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. 

End.

This youtube quite nice to watch. 

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6 hours ago, starfinder said:

Were there many runners who actually DNF? I saw there were some who went to medical aid but actually overall, I think not that many. When you ran at ECP or Marina East areas, it is very hard to fall out of the race as you have nowhere to go. No choice but to endure all the way.

 

https://www.sportsplits.com/races/singapore-marathon-2019/events/1/gender/Male?page=202

https://www.sportsplits.com/races/singapore-marathon-2019/events/1/gender/Male?page=218

https://www.sportsplits.com/races/singapore-marathon-2019/events/1/gender/Female?page=53

https://www.sportsplits.com/races/singapore-marathon-2019/events/1/gender/Female?page=58

From the above, there were around 900 to 1000 runners DNF for Full Marathon. The figures for NYS was quite high. Was wondering what was NYS (Not Yet Start?).

Also, was curious for those runners who completed their run after 7:30 hours (some with timings after 8 hours), were they given the finisher Tees and Medals? 

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5 hours ago, wonderfulblevic said:

To qualify for platinum, there needs to be 15,000 finishers. Do we have that many?

To achieve 15,000 finishers is really quite a challenge. I guess that is why the official Pacer Run is conducted regularly to help runners with their training so that more can be finishers.

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18 hours ago, puppyrun said:

Also, was curious for those runners who completed their run after 7:30 hours (some with timings after 8 hours), were they given the finisher Tees and Medals? 

I came in 7:34. Was given the medal and shirt too. 

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