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Newton Challenge 2017 - 29 Oct (Sun), Marina Barrage

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5 hours ago, lonewolf said:

No leh. I ran the 21K last yr. Also, need to loop towards MBS and back. But I stand corrected. It's not 100% the same route though. :crazysmile:The start pt has been shifted after the Barrage bridge which mean the bridge will be used as a holding pen. 

Ah OK thanks for clarifying. Then the route is the same then. The different start point won't make a difference lah.

They just changed the route last year so likely they would want to continue using it longer before changing it again.

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I was wondering why they want to use the bridge as the holding pen as compared to the barrage area.... barrage area is sheltered and definitely can hold more people than the bridge (of course not forgetting that the runners can spill back to the barrage)...

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Quick reminder....

Race Entry Pack Collection

Date: 21 Oct - 22 Oct 2017
Time: 11AM - 7PM
Venue: Velocity at Novena Square ( 238 Thomson Rd, Singapore 307683 )

All participants are required to collect their Race Entry Pack before the race.
Participants will need to bring along a Photo ID and a printed copy of confirmation slip for the collection of Race Entry Pack. The Organiser reserves the right to refuse participants without the required documents from collecting their Race Entry Pack.

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56 minutes ago, AutumnRunner said:

Quick reminder....

Race Entry Pack Collection

Date: 21 Oct - 22 Oct 2017
Time: 11AM - 7PM
Venue: Velocity at Novena Square ( 238 Thomson Rd, Singapore 307683 )

All participants are required to collect their Race Entry Pack before the race.
Participants will need to bring along a Photo ID and a printed copy of confirmation slip for the collection of Race Entry Pack. The Organiser reserves the right to refuse participants without the required documents from collecting their Race Entry Pack.

Digital confirmation slip on phone is also acceptable.

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2 hours ago, AutumnRunner said:

I was wondering why they want to use the bridge as the holding pen as compared to the barrage area.... barrage area is sheltered and definitely can hold more people than the bridge (of course not forgetting that the runners can spill back to the barrage)...

The number of runners in the holding pen will stretch from the bridge till the barrage. There will be a much larger number of runners this year due to the 10k runners

1 hour ago, K!m said:

Digital confirmation slip on phone is also acceptable.

Has never been a requirement to collect race pack. Worst case I will just show them the confirmation email but never had the need to.

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4 hours ago, K!m said:

Digital confirmation slip on phone is also acceptable.

usually there is no need to else there will be many complains by the runners... hahahh

3 hours ago, beast said:

The number of runners in the holding pen will stretch from the bridge till the barrage. There will be a much larger number of runners this year due to the 10k runners.

hope there wun be too many 32.195km runners....

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17 minutes ago, AutumnRunner said:

usually there is no need to else there will be many complains by the runners... hahahh

Because you posted printed slip of confirmation is needed mah.

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5 hours ago, AutumnRunner said:

I was wondering why they want to use the bridge as the holding pen as compared to the barrage area.... barrage area is sheltered and definitely can hold more people than the bridge (of course not forgetting that the runners can spill back to the barrage)...

 

3 hours ago, beast said:

The number of runners in the holding pen will stretch from the bridge till the barrage. There will be a much larger number of runners this year due to the 10k runners

 

Pesonally, I think using the bridge is an improvement. Last yr, the start pen on the slope of the barrage was actually a terrible idea (not typical of Pink Apple). It was drizzling last yr and the slope was a little slippery. It was a minor miracle no one slipped during the start.  

And who likes to walk around the damn slope to get to the start pen. 

3 hours ago, beast said:

Has never been a requirement to collect race pack. Worst case I will just show them the confirmation email but never had the need to.

 

Agree. I stopped printing out the confirmation slip for a few years now and never has any problem collecting my race pack from most of the race organisers with just my IC.

The only race I had problem was Yellow Ribbon Prison Run in 2016 where my IC was not recognised by the system. I shown them a digital copy of my registration slip on my phone and they were then able to track my registration. 

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How stringent are they with the diversion point?2:45 for the 21.3km seems tight (for me), especially if we are way back on the start line. 

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Thanks... hope tomorrow continue to be smooth..

1 hour ago, baoren said:

Swift moving short queue today. Can consider collecting today guys. 

 

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Basically, it's the same system that was used during the AHM RPC. Pink Apple has also used this once before for a smaller scale race - PCCW Global Charity Run. You scan your IC/ Registration slip, get a print out and collect your bib and race at the counter. 

Frankly, I'm amazed that there were only 6 counters and the queue was reasonable fast moving. I'm not sure if it was because the crowd was thin or if the system is really efficient in moving the crowd. Could be the latter cos the crew was really moving things along quickly.

The race pack is really lean though. Apart from the singlet and socks, there's an Acti-Tape sample, a Starbalm sample and a useless voucher. 

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On 10/21/2017 at 1:21 AM, Gusluk said:

How stringent are they with the diversion point?2:45 for the 21.3km seems tight (for me), especially if we are way back on the start line. 

Sure or not? Not realistic to have 2:45 cut off time for 21.3km based on Singapore local 21km HM finishing times. 

Either that, or they are only expecting semi-pro regular serious participants. Anyone who takes 3 hours or more for HM would not cross in time

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1 hour ago, kcslchin said:

Sure or not? Not realistic to have 2:45 cut off time for 21.3km based on Singapore local 21km HM finishing times. 

Either that, or they are only expecting semi-pro regular serious participants. Anyone who takes 3 hours or more for HM would not cross in time

It was stated on the race booklet and the cut off time for the category is 6 hrs, it doesn't make sense.

Edited by nnantasy

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I think diverted doesnt mean those who do not meet this timing will be disqualified, just need to take another route? Anyway, in this case, I guess I'll probably be one of them. 

Edited: Just read the race booklet, it indeed means disqualified if reach this point later than 7.15am... zzZZZ.. Wondering if there is a mistake as the cut off timing is 6hours, meaning 3hours+ for the remaining 11km? 

Edited by akane81

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Went to their facebook page and someone has indeed raised the question regarding the diversion point, this is the official reply:

Hi there, if you miss the cut off time for the diversion point, you will be disqualified in terms of ranking as your distance completed will be different from those who were not diverted. In this case, you will still receive your Medal and Finisher polo when you complete the race.

However, if you miss the category cut off time of 6 hours to complete the entire race, you may not receive your Medal and Finisher polo. Hope this clarifies

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This is one of those instances where I think Pink Apple is doing a bad job in terms of planning.

Of course, we understand that there's restriction in terms of road closure etc which may be why it's necessary to have the diversion point in the first place.

Still, regardless of the reasons, the onus is on Pink Apple to come up with a 'diverted' route that does not prejudice the slower runners. The diverted route should not be shorter and hence disqualified the runners who do not reach the diversion point by the cut off time. Slower runners should not be disqualified at the organisational convenience of Pink Apple.

Of course, there will be some who may argue that those who cannot complete an HM in 2h 45m has no business attempting the 32K but the point is moot. If the intended pace is indeed meant to be sub 7.8 min/k then the cut off time should have been adjusted accordingly and highlighted so that potential participants can make an informed choice. 

We also need to remember that the 2h45m cut off applies for those who start in the first wave (typically the faster runner who will have no problem meeting the cut off). For the slower runners that start in the subsequent waves, they will have lesser time to reach the diversion point by 0745 hrs.

Also, for those who are diverted and run a shorter course, I dun think they will be very happy to be shortchanged or to wear a polo finisher proclaiming them to be '32.195 km Finisher' when they did not run that distance. The difference must be significant enough for the diverted runners to be excluded from ranking. 

Ultimately the biggest mystery is the absence of such an arrangement last yr. :iiam:

Edited by lonewolf

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This road restriction would definitely affect those who are in the 2nd/3rd wave and those on the brink of running about 2:20-2:30hrs HM taking into consideration that each wave might be flagged off at 10mins apart...

looking at the route, the 21km mark should be near to the barrage area. So it could be that the diverted runners would not run the entire city route towards MBS or they make a U-turn back to ECP to complete some of the remaining distance or they would U-turn back while running past garden by the bay which is still within the PCN... unsure yet, I think all would know that day and I am sure there will be runners who feedback these vigorously on their social media pages after the race... :sword:

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34 minutes ago, lonewolf said:

This is one of those instances where I think Pink Apple is doing a bad job in terms of planning.

Of course, we understand that there's restriction in terms of road closure etc which may be why it's necessary to have the diversion point in the first place.

Still, regardless of the reasons, the onus is on Pink Apple to come up with a 'diverted' route that does not prejudice the slower runners. The diverted route should not be shorter and hence disqualified the runners who do not reach the diversion point by the cut off time. Slower runners should not be disqualified at the organisational convenience of Pink Apple.

Of course, there will be some who may argue that those who cannot complete an HM in 2h 45m has no business attempting the 32K but the point is moot. If the intended pace is indeed meant to be sub 7.8 min/k then the cut off time should have been adjusted accordingly and highlighted so that potential participants can make an informed choice. 

We also need to remember that the 2h45m cut off applies for those who start in the first wave (typically the faster runner who will have no problem meeting the cut off). For the slower runners that start in the subsequent waves, they will have lesser time to reach the diversion point by 0745 hrs.

Also, for those who are diverted and run a shorter course, I dun think they will be very happy to be shortchanged or to wear a polo finisher proclaiming them to be '32.195 km Finisher' when they did not run that distance. The difference must be significant enough for the diverted runners to be excluded from ranking. 

Ultimately the biggest mystery is the absence of such an arrangement last yr. :iiam:

there's no point getting the medal / finisher tee when runners didnt even get to complete their race

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I dont think the diversion is due to road closure. The 10km starts at 7am and runs the same route. Its really weird with 4 hours left after diversion. 

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13 minutes ago, Gusluk said:

I dont think the diversion is due to road closure. The 10km starts at 7am and runs the same route. Its really weird with 4 hours left after diversion. 

good point... could it be that they are afraid of congestion on the route with all different categories swarming in together... hmn....

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Well except for the Marina East Drive road. Probably it will be diverted through PCN, which might will be less than 1 km difference if it is.

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This was the responses from Newton Challenge Team:

Hi there, the distance with diversion taken into consideration is 30.8km and 19.8km for the 32km and 21km races respectively. Thank you!

 

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Well maybe thats why they call it newton challenge, not newton run. Hope to be there in the first wave!

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