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Those runners' BIB will be marked with blue (i.e. bus) marker pen mark by bus driver who have indeed ran 35km and were pick up by sweep bus and will be awarded with finisher tee stamped with a small bus icon.

Those way too slow runners' BIB who were routed to shorter path will be marked with red pen by divert road marshal and will not be given finisher tee!

Good idea. Instead, to show "appreciation" as the organizers would like to, give them some other momento. The momento could be designed to encourage them to try again next year.

Sounds good.....

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@Alvin That's what I thought, 8 hours encourages walkers. One does not need to sufficiently train himself to complete a marathon in Sinkapore.

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I think 8 hours is fine. Tokyo marathon has 7 hours as cut off. With the weather here, 8 hours is reasonable. I don't have any issues with walkers. It's not easy to walk for 8 hours! Haha.

I don't think we can totally eliminate cheats too. But we can certainly try to make it harder for them by having better routes etc.

We do need to ensure that participants get what they deserve though. Those who did not manage to complete the entire distance should not get finisher tees and medals. They can get something else, I don't mind.

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Cheaters will always cheat. Its very difficult to enforce the route in a mass participation event. Its only through fluke events (eg last year, cheater took too big a diversion and came in first, or this year, a sharp eyed photographer/runner noticed something was amiss) that these incidents come to light.

I think people need to get over the whole "ooh look at me im wearing a marathon finisher's t-shirt" mentality. Its almost as if the whole purpose of running a marathon is to get the t-shirt and to wear it in public to get your ego stroked. Rubber bands, bus driver and marker pens, bus icons on the t-shirt... really? As if this race isn't messy enough already.

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I wonder if the organiser can make it cheaper for us if we can opt out the finisher tee for the event in the future. since the finisher tee is for the organiser to appreciate us for participating.

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Cheaters will always cheat. Its very difficult to enforce the route in a mass participation event. Its only through fluke events (eg last year, cheater took too big a diversion and came in first, or this year, a sharp eyed photographer/runner noticed something was amiss) that these incidents come to light.

I think people need to get over the whole "ooh look at me im wearing a marathon finisher's t-shirt" mentality. Its almost as if the whole purpose of running a marathon is to get the t-shirt and to wear it in public to get your ego stroked. Rubber bands, bus driver and marker pens, bus icons on the t-shirt... really? As if this race isn't messy enough already.

Maybe we should just get rid of the finisher tee. Just have an event tee to be given out during the race pack collection.

Why during the race expo? Cos otherwise the race pack will be empty! Just like this year.

Hahaha

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Out of curiosity, according to the stats at http://mrnmrsrunthetown.blogspot.sg/2014/12/unofficial-analyzing-scms-14.html

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13k pax signed up, 10k pax completed. So how many finisher tees do you guys think the organisers printed? If they don't give to those "re-routed" finishers, the tees will end up where? The charity org?

Well they better not have given the t-shirts away to people who didnt take part, or else some would complain how it diminishes their pride and effort in doing the marathon.

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Out of curiosity, according to the stats at http://mrnmrsrunthetown.blogspot.sg/2014/12/unofficial-analyzing-scms-14.html

Screen%2BShot%2B2014-12-10%2Bat%2B7.28.1

13k pax signed up, 10k pax completed. So how many finisher tees do you guys think the organisers printed? If they don't give to those "re-routed" finishers, the tees will end up where? The charity org?

Well they better not have given the t-shirts away to people who didnt take part, or else some would complain how it diminishes their pride and effort in doing the marathon.

But quite wasteful right if don't give to charity or have some good use for them. Quote a lot leftover for scms leh.

From the chart above, we are talking about 3 thousand shirts. That's quite a lot!

On a related note, what about the leftover medals? Do they recycle them? Just like what Run350 organisets do?

I think they should just have an event tee and do away with finisher tee. From the advertisement perspective for sponsors, more value for money? Cos more likely people will wear an event tee (if it looks nice). For singlets, only wear when running and not many people will notice. Number of people who could potentially wear an event tee compared to a finisher tee is also more. 10,000 FM finishers compared to 53,000 SCMS participants.

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I think the organisers might prefer to give away the tees to even those who didn't finish... orelse it's a waste of their storage space... its a lot if we were saying about 3k tees. ... haa....

Just now as I was walking back from my jog, I saw an uncle sitting in the coffee shop with the scms tee... the 1st thought was... did he finish... After that thought I immediately retracted my thoughts... The power of media. ...

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Out of curiosity, according to the stats at http://mrnmrsrunthetown.blogspot.sg/2014/12/unofficial-analyzing-scms-14.html

Screen%2BShot%2B2014-12-10%2Bat%2B7.28.1

13k pax signed up, 10k pax completed. So how many finisher tees do you guys think the organisers printed? If they don't give to those "re-routed" finishers, the tees will end up where? The charity org?

Well they better not have given the t-shirts away to people who didnt take part, or else some would complain how it diminishes their pride and effort in doing the marathon.

I know a few marathoners give 42 km finished tees away to their maid/ driver/ worker.

Don't understand why people so crazy to cheat to get the tee.

I have also seen the (donated?) finisher tees sold in Indonesia & East Timor.

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Like the idea of event tees as compared to running vest. If you are serious into running, doubt if you mind buying a couple of good running vest for regular training use

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Hmm... I just realised that there are getting fewer full marathon runners from 2011 to 2014 SCMS (based on the event booklet).

42km participants

2010: 19000

2011: 20000

2012: 17500

2013: 16100

2014: 14000

Well, it seems that it's "not more congested" for full marathon route. :P

I stopped running FM since 2012 version. Instead, i only do HM in preparation for SCHK.

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Wow, this thread reached the 100 page milestone!!! :thumbsu:

I have also seen the (donated?) finisher tees sold in Indonesia & East Timor.

I hope those tees in East Timor (etc) are donated and not sold over there.

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U never believe how damp cheap an adidas finisher/event tee was sold after the marathon in NZ...

Only NZ $10....

https://www.aucklandmarathon.co.nz/store/

That's not finisher tee. There aren't any given out in the first place, at the Auckland Marathon.

Those are the past year event tees, which are also freely and publicly given out in Singapore after running events.

This Auckland Marathon is one of my list, I think I should void it.....

Beepbeep, that isn't a finisher tee they are selling. That's a past-year event tee.

There isn't any finisher tee given out at the Auckland Marathon in the first place. You should do this race. It's a beautiful race with plenty of support along the route and some great scenery.

Auckland Marathon race experience: http://www.prischew.com/sports/adidas-auckland-marathon-run-nz/

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If the spirit of doing all these races is not just for the finishers' tee, we should not be discouraged even if the tees are donated, sold or given to others after that.. For me, its for the whole experience. The sense of achievement is not something that can be sold or given away.

Yeah, this thread is 100 pages and still going strong..

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Hmm... I just realised that there are getting fewer full marathon runners from 2011 to 2014 SCMS (based on the event booklet).

42km participants

2010: 19000

2011: 20000

2012: 17500

2013: 16100

2014: 14000

Well, it seems that it's "not more congested" for full marathon route. :P

I stopped running FM since 2012 version. Instead, i only do HM in preparation for SCHK.

Oh I stopped doing SCHKM. Route is the same for number of years (with some minor edition), and it feels as if I'm doing "Singapore marathon" due to the large number of Singaporeans participating... The good thing is the climate there. :P

Anyways, I shall start venture out to experience runs/marathons at different places to different places (hopefully out of Asia and Australia).

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U never believe how damp cheap an adidas finisher/event tee was sold after the marathon in NZ...

Only NZ $10....

https://www.aucklandmarathon.co.nz/store/

so running just for event/finisher tee?

HKSCM does not have a finisher tee or finisher medal for 21k. Only finisher medal for FM. Yet, every year, within a couple of hours if not days, slots are fully taken up. I know of people who take leave just to camp in front of the com to get a slot. HKSCM only offer a medallion and an event tee.

I can only summarise one thing for races held overseas. The race is prestigious in the minds of the participants. The ability to run such race reflects one's commitment and respect to the event. Event tees, medals are intangible. To be able to take part and complete the distance within the stipulated timings are what spurs these people on. Majority of the runners in SG need to have such spirits. If not, every race is just another big walk.

To me, entering a race is a reflection of how well your training has progressed. A race is the only time where the roads are closed for u to run and the official timing reflects your training progress.

Wow, this thread reached the 100 page milestone!!! :thumbsu:

I have also seen the (donated?) finisher tees sold in Indonesia & East Timor.

I hope those tees in East Timor (etc) are donated and not sold over there.

i m using some of my 21k finisher tees as rugs n cloths. ;)

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I can only summarise one thing for races held overseas. The race is prestigious in the minds of the participants. The ability to run such race reflects one's commitment and respect to the event. Event tees, medals are intangible. To be able to take part and complete the distance within the stipulated timings are what spurs these people on. Majority of the runners in SG need to have such spirits. If not, every race is just another big walk.

Frankly I wont make such hasty conclusion. You cannot assume that just from causal observations that you may have made from participating in a few overseas events. And I would even suggest that its not a like-for-like comparison since as you point out no finisher tee are offered in the first place. If finisher tee are offered, maybe you will see the same phenomenon that we observed in Singapore.

As just for avoidance of doubt, when you say 'every race is just another big walk' I think you need to be clear who you are talking about. Does this includes the competitive walkers who were walking the entire FM route? (They were fast!) What about those who are adopting a run-walk-run strategy? What about me who run the first HM and walked the rest? Am I considered one of those who are turning every race into another big walk?

Personally I like to meet someone who has never ever walk in every single race and every single training run that he did.

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prisangel, thanks for the clarification.. was a event tee ...

No problems, Beepbeep. :)

After having recovered from SCMS, guess that everyone here would be looking forward to running their next marathon.

In that case, I suppose it can't hurt then, to get some running tips from Soh Rui Yong, the National Record Holder for 10,000m and the Second Fastest Marathoner in Singapore. He is currently in town for the winter holidays and is giving some running workshops to share his knowledge on the sport. :)

Link: http://www.prischew.com/running/tips-from-soh-rui-yong/

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I can only summarise one thing for races held overseas. The race is prestigious in the minds of the participants. The ability to run such race reflects one's commitment and respect to the event. Event tees, medals are intangible. To be able to take part and complete the distance within the stipulated timings are what spurs these people on. Majority of the runners in SG need to have such spirits. If not, every race is just another big walk.

Frankly I wont make such hasty conclusion. You cannot assume that just from causal observations that you may have made from participating in a few overseas events. And I would even suggest that its not a like-for-like comparison since as you point out no finisher tee are offered in the first place. If finisher tee are offered, maybe you will see the same phenomenon that we observed in Singapore.

As just for avoidance of doubt, when you say 'every race is just another big walk' I think you need to be clear who you are talking about. Does this includes the competitive walkers who were walking the entire FM route? (They were fast!) What about those who are adopting a run-walk-run strategy? What about me who run the first HM and walked the rest? Am I considered one of those who are turning every race into another big walk?

Personally I like to meet someone who has never ever walk in every single race and every single training run that he did.

maybe i should be clearer a bit. I am not targeting at people whom u have mentioned. I am generally referring to the people who just sign up for the sake of the finisher tee and medals. Those who signed up and took the effort to train for it of course deserves credit points and respect. Its the people who take things lightly and not respecting the distances and the spirit of competition makes a run look bad. And sadly, I believe this category of people who adopt the sign up and walk attitude has more than those who sign up and train and run attitude.

which is why, I am for the point that SCMS, being the last race and the most 'prestigious' race in SG race calendar, adopt a more stringent measure. SCMS should be a sort of 'report card' for runners to see how they have fared for the entire year and not another community run. We have plenty of such community run all year round.

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