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  1. Thanks Joe for your insight:) I for one am relatively unaware of the arrangements required in organising an official race. Not as though I'll ever be organising a run, but I think your sharing has provided insight which is applicable to many forms of event management which may be relevant to some of us.
  2. My Garmin recorded around 3.75km at split 1 as well. I'll be amazed if I actually ran 5km in my time for "Split 1" haha. I don't think shaming is necessary. Though what they did certainly isn't correct, I don't think we add any value to the situation by shaming them. Instead, some graciousness extended will probably foster a more pleasant community. Just my thoughts
  3. Ran the 10.5km just now. I find this was a brilliant race. Ample hydration (I stuck with water), clear directions and lots of volunteers along the way. Furthermore, we were blessed with pleasant weather, If there's anything I'm forced to pick on, it would be the inaccurate distance (9.9km on my Garmin, anyone else has GPS data?) and the relatively longer queue for the toilets (nearly 15mins at 710). Other than that, great job Joe and please have a restful break after this event is settled
  4. I agree with the others, it is probably not advisable to make a last minute change, considering we are less than a week away. Furthermore, this may cause runners in later categories to be tormented by the sun. In my opinion, at this point of time, minimal changes should be made. Probably what's most important, as many others have suggested, is ensuring the quality of the route (signs, no obstructions), aid stations and making sure the day's events run according to schedule Thanks Joe for all your hard work so far and I'm looking forward to the run this Sunday
  5. Hi Joe, Unsure if you would come into the sgrunner forum before the start of the event.... since the timing of the different categories of runs cannot be changed.... i hope u can consider (or maybe already considered) to have at least a path for the 21km runners to run past the crowd when the 10.5km runners set off.... reason being that given the narrow path of about 3-3.5m... when the 10.5km runners report to the starting pen, they will sure crowd up the entire pathway... and after 1hr (7.30am), many runners are starting their 2nd round and would smack right into the bulk of 10.5km runners... the path is for 21km runners to bypass the crowd.... secondly, i hope there will be a dedicated path on the right of the pathway maybe for the first 1km of the loop to ensure that the 21km runners will not be blocked by the walkers or slower runners of 10.5km runners..... Thanks. Great point for consideration, particularly if the starting pen is part of the loop itself. Even if it isn't, the dedicated path for different categories would definitely ease any congestion, though I'm speculating that a dedicated path for each category may have to be particularly narrow due to an already narrow route.
  6. Hi Joseph, Thank you for receiving our feedback and your comments thus far. I understand that the 21km route is 2 loops of the 10.5km route. As their flag off time is 1hour apart (6.30am vs 7.30am), I expect that there will be a decent degree of congestion as runners from both categories merge. May I know if any measures are being considered in order to minimise this? Just from my few race experiences - such as the 2XU Compression Run 2014 10km, the Jurong Lake Run 2014 6km or the ST Run at the Hub 2014 10km - as these race categories that I ran merged with longer distance categories, much congestion was experienced. In my opinion, it resulted in safety issues as more serious runners had to constantly weave through other runners who were taking a more leisurely run. I understand that the more serious runners may be a minority of participants, but having said that, I believe it is certainly a matter to be looked into to minimise accidents. Hope to hear from you!
  7. Another point to note is that if you're there to engrave your timing, I think you receive 15% off storewide for non-discounted items.
  8. By the way, did anyone engrave their race timings on their wristband after their run? I'm wondering what the quality of engraving is like.
  9. There is actually a very simple way: remove finisher T-shirts altogether. A digitally-signed PDF certificate will suffice for those who want recognition. For official timings, a simple email confirmation from the organizer or a website database search will do. But of course, this will never happen because the organizers will lose revenue from the people who are in it for the superficial reasons. It would b better if the finisher tee to be given out for those who has the finisher "certificates / confirmation" another day. I think one problem with the idea of the non-immediate issuing of finisher tees or medals is the fact that SCMS is frequented by overseas participants who travel to Singapore just for the race. Furthermore, even if this was done, having a separate collection not on race day would incur additional logistical demands as well. Imagine having to travel to a separate venue on a separate date and queue just to collect the race tee - that would probably generate many more complaints.
  10. I agree with bernard, a race experience - regardless of the time - is a race experience that is unique to the individual, so lonewolf, do share I agree with lonewolf as well about the dangers of imposing a restriction.
  11. to organizers, only the top positions which affects monetary reward affects them. And they cldnt be bothered even after the incident which happened few years back? One guy, totally unknown ran faster thn Mok Yin Ren. This man made the whole organizing management team jump and searching for clues to who this guy is... Its about high time they do something to these people. They shld consider issuing medals and t-shirts only after official results r out. Those who missed checkpoints and finish above cut off timing are considered DNF. In this way, cheaters will be totally removed. But the problem about timing at checkpoints is that sometimes their timing system can also cock-up. Like last year I remembered something about many runners' time not captured because of a flaw in the timing chip. Then there is also a problem whereby runners not stepping on the timing mat. So if I (as the organiser) would follow strictly to not giving medals and finisher tee to those who have missed checkpoint timing, any 'innocent' runner who in no fault on his/her was unable to get the timing, then all hell would broke lose from complaints and all that. On the other hand, if I was to just heck care and give out medals indiscriminately, the only people who would complain are those who feel that justice and fairness must ultimately prevail, which I can feel is smaller in number. And since everyone who finished (honestly or not) is given the medal and tee, the number who feels the injustice will be even smaller. So I will choose the lesser of 2 evils. My exact sentiments regarding the possibility of technical faults. I was a participant of the ST Run at the Hub this year and for the 21km category, where there were a total of 5 checkpoints, multiple runners amongst the top 10 finishers - relatively prominent ones in Singapore - actually lacked some checkpoint data. I don't think it is much of a hassle for organisers to filter out runners with checkpoint data missing on the results list. However, assuming it was due to a technical error and not someone who deliberately skipped checkpoints, this would lead to a barrage of complaints. This is because I'm willing to guess these very people would get their race results and entitlements than to see cheaters miss out on these. (I wouldn't deny that if I was in this situation, the same would apply for me.) Why not achieve both, some may argue. However, with checkpoint data missing, what is a logistical sound manner of ascertaining whether a runner actually ran the distance? One last point I would like to add is that with a multitude of runners arriving at the medal or finisher tee tents, it is a logistical nightmare to be able to first ascertain that each individual runner had crossed all checkpoints before handing out the entitlements. What's more, from the organiser's point of view, I believe they have to pre-order sufficient entitlements (though certain tee sizes may not be sufficient). Consequently, by going the extra mile to seize out these individuals, they are left with extra entitlements specific to the event. Overall, I really think NoobieRunner nailed it - what the organisers do is the lesser of two evils. It may be less principled, but it is certainly is more pragmatic in my opinion.
  12. Thanks for the notification. Certainly hope they do upload the video!
  13. Ran the 10km today. Caught glimpses of Haile as he entered the pen and as he made his way along the route. It is surprising that he wasn't the winner! Perhaps he was trying to run a 30 flat (which he actually did). Anyway, I was one of the visitors to the giant medical tent (right after the finish line) today after experiencing dizziness from the exertion. The medics at the finish noticed me and actively directed me over. Yet that was before 8am so I certainly am not attributing my exertion the weather but rather just the sheer extent which I pushed my body. I was rather disappointed that I failed to locate (I don't even know if it happened) the photo taking session with Haile between 9.15-9.30am. Enquiries at the information booth (or anyone else) yielded no information on that session. Overall, a satisfying and interesting experience as I got to enter the medical tent for the first time and certainly experienced good quality care. I suspect that the congregation of doctors and medics at the giant tent are the concentration of experienced personnel, whereas other medics/volunteers along the routes may have less experience and proficiency. On a side note, does anyone have GPS data to share regarding the 3 competitive distances? Appreciate it greatly thanks!
  14. When I ran with the 4:00 pacers in 2012, they seemed to run very even splits. I only caught up with them around 8km (I started about a minute after flag off) and I only stuck with them till 30km before moving ahead, therefore I cannot say much about the initial 8km or last 12km. I did overhear them saying around 28km that they were a just two seconds behind pace though (two seconds behind for the 28km thus far, not per km). Back in 2012, there were paced runs organized by TeamBMW. During those sessions (the longest being 30km) when I followed the same 4:00 pacers, they were very much on pace - though that was along loops of a flat 3km section of ECP. I'm afraid I've no experience with pacers this year. However, I am certain running with decently accurate pacers is more enjoyable than running alone. I'd suggest using a pace band (or something of that sort) while trying to stick with the pacers. If they seem to be passing the distance markers too quickly/slowly (bear in mind they aim for their stated gun time, not nett time), feel free to drop off a little or speed up
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