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  1. I think they are adapting a "wait and see" approach - If the pandemic is not going to come down by the latest date for them to process the necessary logistics (and for government to give the green light), they are just going to convert into a "virtual run". Maybe some people in the organizing team has the positive mentality like our Autumn bro, but personally I rather they just make the decision to cancel this year's edition.
  2. I could totally understand the disappointment of not having to run at these events. But for the sake of well being of everyone, I hope race organizers don't even think about proceeding with them, even with any promises of the strictest of checks and safety precautions. Everyone should take this present situation seriously and now is really not the time to think about organizing or participating in races anymore until the situation dies down. If by any chance any running event is really given the green light to proceed, and a mass outbreak happens during the event, the disastrous consequence to the economy and people's livelihood is unimaginable. For the love of God, I hope that doesn't happen just because of a selfish group of people who wants to run.
  3. Not sure how the others are taking it, but It is still the same for me since March - No more joining a mass run till a vaccine is available. Even with 0 cases and strict temperature screening and safety precautions taking place, I will not bother to take the risk. Runs and streaks come and go...I can go without it for 1-2 years...personal health and responsibilities to families should take priority above a PB or finisher medal/shirt. I have written off 2020, and likely the first half of 2021 too.
  4. Swab test is manual right now and test results is not instantaneous. I believe that the time for the testing infrastructure to be improved by leaps and bounds (cut manual testing and have results instantly), a vaccine would have been readily available. I still don't think a mass running event would be held before a vaccine is available, but I am no scientist and maybe a foolproof screening might have been invented before the vaccine, and we can all run safely.
  5. Yah I guess I would probably work on the tone of my words. And you are right, some discussion is better than a dead forum. Like you, I have been running more around my neighbourhood as well since working from home. And maybe I should try out virtual runs too. But the raining season is here so I guess it will make it harder to run for the next 1 to 2 weeks....
  6. Right now, Singapore can only do swab tests at a rate of 8,000 in a day, with the aim of hoping to reach 40,000 tests per days in a few months. There is no way any race organizers would make all their runners to do swab tests. Imagine the time and cost needed to implement this for a race! The most they would probably do is to have thermal scanners and disallow runners with very high temperature into the race venue.
  7. Chill bro. I think you are over-sensitive over my comments and certainly I did not mean to make anything come across anything as harsh or rude. And I am not interested to resolving this over PM as I do not like to be called out like this and make peace privately. First, let's break down my comments, shall we? I don't think the first 2 lines were criticizing you in any way. If anything, it should be interpreted as me agreeing that no runs will be held until post covid, and not as me criticizing you about suggesting holding runs now, if that was how you looked at them. The 3rd line was agreeing with some of your points. I believe I do not need to say things like "great points!" or "well done!", do I? Next, elaboration about my 4th line about why some of your points are not practical, since you asked and can't figure out: #8 - 1-metre social distance between each runner IN THE starting pen Assuming a running event with 5K runners, and to make it simple, let's say we have 10 waves each with 500 runners. To make 1 metre social distancing possible, this means that the pen needs to be 500 metres x 500 metres? Any idea how big the pen needs to be? Give you an idea - A soccer field is 120 metres x 90 metres wide. #9 - More cleaners on-site to clean and sanitise the mobile toilets after every 5 usages. I am sure you have been to events where mobile toilets are limited and lines of more than 10 lined up outside each cubicle. You really want cleaners to stop people from using them every 5 usage to clean and sanitise? How long do you think each cleaner needs to take to thoroughly clean and and sanitise the cubicle? 10 minutes? So a line of 10 people will need to wait more than 30 minutes? And why 5 usage and not 1? Is the alternate solution to hire more mobile toilets and cleaners then? How much mobile toilets and cleaners is enough for a run like 2XU vs Standard chartered? And cleaners will have to be activated when the toilets are open till they are locked up. Any idea how much that will cost in manpower hours? I can safely tell you no race organizers will do this unless a law is passed down that mobile toilets need to be cleaned thoroughly, which you can already guess what is the chance of that happening. Last but not least, I know I am not the only one who picks on you on this forum (I shall refrain from naming any names, but I am sure you know who else) so please don't only single me out like this. Again, I will not say on behalf of others except myself only, but there are many times that I point out the things you say, be it here or on your blog, not because I enjoy single you out or to cyberbully you, but simply because they just didn't make sense to me or to prevent misinformation on your end to be conveyed to others. I view myself as the "loving critic" but I guess you don't see it that way. Since you think I am picking you, I will make it a point to refrain from anything you comment in this forum from now on. Maybe let someone else be your "loving critic" instead. Peace out.
  8. I don't think holding a race is practical until at least next year when a vaccine is commercialized. Imagine the public's uproar and reaction if a mass event is given the green light before a vaccine is available. Some may become the new norm when a mass event can finally take place, like #3 ,4, 5 and maybe 7. Some are simply not practical (especially #8 and 9) and it just seems like you threw them in without giving much thoughts to them.
  9. I think food/gift donations to frontliners are what they need most. Best if it is monetary or pay raises of course. This and other activity like mass singing HOME to show appreciation do nothing to help frontliners really.
  10. If a run requires mandatory wearing of mask, then I will just sit out till next year after a vaccine has been commericalized and we can all partake in a run without needing to wear one.
  11. Hack to become killer dogs?
  12. Yah I was only wondering what are the chances of trying to argue that race fees are deemed as a form of deposit, to take advantage of the new law, should we need to sue or force any organizers from refusing to refund our fees from a cancelled race. Realistically if there is no refund, I doubt we can round up most the race participants to petition for the refund. Many will just simply walk away as the race fee is just a small sum of money. If it is remotely possible to petition under the new law, does the new law has power over a force majeure clause in the indemnity form that protects organizers from refunding even under the circumstance of a pandemic? (Note: I don't read all the rules and regulations so I am just assuming that this force majeure clause exists. I also don't think we can boycott any races that does not promise a refund, as this should be something that will protect the interests of the organizer.) Maybe we are just thinking too far ahead.
  13. I am also late for the challenge. Keep up the good work of keeping fit guys!
  14. 2 years ago you announced that the site is on the verge of shutting down, as there were challenges with having to fork out the funds needed to sustain this running forum.. Thankfully, with the help of generous contributions of members here, we managed to raise $720 to keep this forum afloat. Just wanted to know how are things going for you this year? With this pandemic affecting everyone's livelihood, I am sure it has impacted you as well. Please feel free to let us know if you needed help again in the funds to sustain the forum. I, for one, hate to see this forum go and I am sure many feel the same way as well. With a little help from everyone amidst this difficult times, we can unite to keep this place going. Let us know. God bless you and your family.
  15. Nice video! Sorry IT noob here, but what did you use to animate the graphs to move? Sadly, without knowing the complete story, people who are just looking at the video will take it out of context again. Also, how I felt after yesterday's announcement:
  16. Graphs like these are what I call "Shit Stirrers" . Our numbers shot up mainly due to the testing of foreign workers in their dormitories. If we don't test we won't know who is affected and can't contain the virus properly, right? We also don't have higher numbers of cases compared to the other countries, which people might be misled into interpreting as that if they don't understand the graph well.
  17. Sorry Kohpapa I am not following you. As runners, yes we can make a stand by boycotting but like I said, there is no use in boycotting because there will always be people signing up, enough for them to profit and continue with their poorly organized runs. What else do you suggest we do then? Without government intervention, race organizers are not going to take race safety seriously, not at the expense of hurting their profits. For SDM, I opted for a race slot next year so I didn't request for a refund.
  18. 1) why the government, or Singapore Sports Council (aka Sports Singapore) must take the issues seriously, and not merely feedback from you (so many years) and I (barely months in this forum thread), to sia suay them. - Like I said they won't, until somebody important dies or some drastic thing happens. They will only implement something when it is broken. 2) Avoid and boycott them already a legendary member already said and acted so...OMG! so sia suay, no signup. - For everyone that boycott, a new runner will sign up. There is no lack of participants for runs which is why we are always at their mercy.
  19. The government, or Singapore Sports Council in particular, will only pass stricter laws and regulations when there is some big shot who dies as a result of dehydration or safety regulations in these races. Many local race organizers, unfortunately, are not so "socially responsible" for their paying customers and would rather cut cost than giving a safe and good race experience.
  20. All the years of running races tell me not to have any expectations of good race organization, especially locally organized races. Always be prepared and self-sufficient.
  21. I view it as how well you want to argue this. For me I would actually consider our "full registration fee" as "full deposit", because the service that is promised to us was not yet delivered when we make the payment. Hence the payment can be viewed as a as a pledge of contract in the form of deposit, where we pay first and expect the service that we paid for to be delivered later. If we can take it from that perspective, then I believe the new legislation can outlawed the force majeure clause. But of course, I am no lawyer.
  22. Refund is not happening for this run yet as I think they are still trying to make it happen in the 2nd half of the year...
  23. I guess too many ask for refunds and they don't have the manpower to process all of them. With the shutting down of the non-essential companies tomorrow, I suppose the refund would take even much longer.
  24. I had already written the 2020 running calendar off... Even if this blows over sooner than expected, the economy will still time to recover and I don't think taking part in a mass run will be something of a priority to many...
  25. Not having to take part in any race this year should be the least of all concerns... People's livelihood are being severely affected, businesses are shutting down....these are more pressing issues that the society at large needs to address when this thing is over, rather than whether or not a mass run can still be organized.... If die die still need to run a race, you can always do so virtually: https://web.42race.com/events
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