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  1. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    How do you know which is paid and which is unpaid? Singlet and Tee might have been delivered from down payment, but not paid in full, and they might be under PA event management fees, which may or may not have paid in full as well. No point in speculating how much profit they are making. This won't make the results release faster, if that's the aim. If you still want to know a rough estimate of profits, you can find audited reports online.
  2. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    They definitely made a profit. The registration fees collected probably used as cash flow somewhere else, either pay previous debts, make deposits/down payments or other investments. The brand name has been damaged so it will take a lot of efforts to rebuild that back even assuming Key Power Sports wants to do it again next year. Regarding the route, unfortunately and sadly a run with massive scale will be ideal in the city area. Not only is it most accessible to all runners, but closures of roads and routes can be easily and better managed compared to the heartlands like Punggol as the office crowds will not visit there during weekends.
  3. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    Given the hoo-ha and the fact that Key Power Sports is seemingly having financial issues that they couldn't get out of in the short run, I don't think we will be seeing the results anytime soon unless Racetime compromises out of goodwill to release them first before payment. Don't think we will see next year's edition as well. Come to think of it the reason why last year's Newton Run was cancelled might also be because of Key Power Sports finances. So we are losing the 2 of the biggest HM in the country - this and AHM. What will this mean for the local paid runs scene? Will runners consider other HMs like Income Run, Marina Run and CSC Run By The Bay more favourably now, or will we be seeing new HMs?
  4. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    Sigh... let's not enter into the debate of which is the original newton challenge again... To me the Challenge32 resembles more of the original newton challenge because it falls under the same period, its held at east coast park and it has the signature 32km route. It is unfortunate that Newton did not agree to sponsor the run anymore, but later lends its name to Spacebib to the virtual run format. I totally forgotten about the virtual run till you guys reminded me again. In any case yes let's hope it doesn't gets canned next year, though a lot of damage to the run's brand name has already been made.
  5. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    Did Newton Challenge become an online/virtual run? I thought another race organizer took over and it was still a mass run event that happened...
  6. beast

    50 Hours Non-stop Run 2019 (19 Apr - 21Apr)

    Same as well. Own time Own Target. You can go off course, stop and pause at any of the checkpoint and come back later. For Craze ultra the checkpoints are quite well stocked with food (fruits, biscuits, cup noodles if you are running 101km) so I don't think anyone bothered with carrying their oenw ration.
  7. beast

    50 Hours Non-stop Run 2019 (19 Apr - 21Apr)

    Respect and congrats for finishing 2 marathons at one go of 16 hours! This is a "Own Time Own Target" run so you are free to run any number of laps, start and stop whenever you want, pause and continue whenever you want. No food provided, runners will need to stop and pause the run and head off to a nearby eatery if they need food. If not they stop till they complete the targeted number of loops.
  8. beast

    50 Hours Non-stop Run 2019 (19 Apr - 21Apr)

    Good luck to all runners. Really mental to be completing loops around the reservoir. Persevere and complete your targeted loops!
  9. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    Not sure why you would expect one company to do the work of another company.... releasing details about those "contractual obligations", issue from KPI...aren't these things supposed to be done by KPI themselves? KPI is their client, so I don't think it makes any sense for PA to be digging and exposing what already seems to be a bankruptcy issue with KPI. I don't see how it will make things better by burning bridges with a client whom I believe they are still keen to work with in future, or how doing all those things would aid in the releasing of results. You can say that Pink Apple as the race organizer by right should be looking into the interests of the runners on all matters. But from a business perspective, the race organizer is just the party that helps the event owner manages the run. Anything else that doesn't concern them, be it problems with the transport app or this holding of results by their client, they remain the right of not getting involved. You can vent your frustrations about PA, and you can change things by not taking part in the future runs that they organize, if you feel strongly that they have not been acting rightly about this whole issue.
  10. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    Pink Apple's official statement is as clear as it can gets. What other solution would you recommend to do in this situation then? Ask Pink Apple to help KPI pay Racetime out of their own pockets, so as to keep runners happy? If you are the boss of Pink Apple, would you do that? KPI probably owes Pink Apple money for other stuff too. Pink Apple also knows runners are going after them, hence the official statement. It is probably the best they would do now, while they seek alternative solution with KPI. But agree that their name has been tainted badly because of KPI now.
  11. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    Did you not read and understand the statement at all? Pink Apple made it super clear that it is not their fault for the delay in the release of results. Key Power International, who engaged them to organize the 2XU run, is the one not paying up the service providers (like Racetime), hence they are not providing the end service. At least blame the correct party lah.
  12. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    Thanks for sharing insider news on how race organziers engaged the pacers to double check the distance by running the planned route. May I ask a few questions? 1) How long was this planned route run before the actual run start date? 2) Did they say what "logistic inconvenience" they were facing? I am guessing that it refers to their re submission the route to the relevant authorities for approval, which they might find it troublesome or do not have enough time to do it. 3) In another event, why did the person checking the planned route feel disappointed when told by runners one of the category distances was short? If he has done his checking and ensure that it was accurate enough, he has done his job right? Also want to clarify that I wasn't being disrespectful to those who care about distance accuracy and measurement techniques - I am merely highlighting the reality that race organizers won''t go so far to ensure accuracy as long as they have done due diligence in doing so and within their acceptable margin error. Going back to the chicken rice analogy, if it wasn't made to one's liking, I believe most people will choose to quietly boycott the stall instead of asking the uncle how he prepares the food and why it is not tasty enough. If someone gets food poisoning then yes the method of preparing must be raised and questioned, so in the equivalent unless a runner is in anyway bodily harmed by running an inaccurate distance, the method of measuring the distance must be questioned.
  13. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    The most accurate way of measuring distance is the Jones Counter and I seriously doubt any race organizers bother with it. It makes no business sense to do it As long as using running apps is the most convenient way of measuring distance, and its margin error is acceptable by most people, they will continue to do it. I am sure they also do their diligence of checking the distance onsite. I don't need organizers to state how they measure the route either. When you order chicken rice, do you ask the uncle to tell you how he prepares the chicken and the rice, for the purpose of transparency?
  14. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    Only HM and FM. https://media.aws.iaaf.org/competitioninfo/01664bab-af0a-44d6-a014-cd603492f592.pdf
  15. beast

    Income Eco Run 2019 - 28 Apr (Sun)

    2Xu had 3 small loops - 1 at the beginning of the run, 1 near the ECP and 1 at the Promentary Income run has just 1 small loop which is the slope up at marina barrage. Surely the distance covered by the 3 small loops is more than the 1 loop? Did the route make up for a longer distance somewhere?
  16. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    Well, they will need to plan out the route, no? What better and more convenient way to plan than to use apps that will calculate a rough distance? I have no idea why you would have this impression that they will use pedometer, which is a device for calculating the number of steps a person walks. Even if you are referring to the Jones Counter, I have no idea why you would assume they will do that, given that it is a tedious process of measuring distance.
  17. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    No need to apologise (again) - we already established that it is OK to discuss about timings and distances here. I think the question is why did you feel speechless about Pink Apple's answer? Were you expecting a different answer?
  18. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    I don't think anyone is expecting that, and Pink Apple is not obliged to do that. Which is why I wanted to know what exactly did YH90 ask and what is he expecting out of the question. I think it is fair that they map the distance online and then recee the route. The small loop around the promentory might have been done account after they realize there is quite a substantial distance different from what they planned initially. Still will have people KPKB coz PB not met due to longer distance. There is really no pleasing everyone. I don't know how the outsourcing of jobs in this case works. My initial thought was that being the race organizer, Pink Apple had engaged Racetime, as part of their race management. But after this hoo-ha surfaced, I am inclined to think that Pink Apple only engaged Racetime on behalf of KPI, so when KPI does not pay Racetime in time the results are being held back by Racetime. When people go after Pink Apple for the race results, they "push it" back to KPI because they are not the one who has a contractual obligation with Racetime. Not 100% sure of this theory, just my own speculation.
  19. beast

    Income Eco Run 2019 - 28 Apr (Sun)

    When I was really active in joining runs and the Gatsby facial wash was in almost all the race packs, I think I survived a good half a year without buying any facial wash and just using the samples haha. Good old days.
  20. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    What was the exact question that you asked them? For planning purposes, no surprises if they just map the distance online. After which, they most likely will still do an onsite recee to ensure that the route is "runable"" and measure the distance to ensure it is 21km or thereabout.
  21. Website: TBC Registration: TBC Date: 19 June, 2019 (TBC) Time: 7am (TBC) ´╗┐Venue: Gardens by the Bay (Silver Leaf) ´╗┐(TBC) Jumping the gun here as it has never been confirmed from any source yet. If this run makes a return again this year, it is likely to be on 19 June 2019 as this race had always be held together with CommunicaAsia conference (credits go to lonewolf bro for confirming this association for the past editions). CommunicaAsia 2019 will be held this year from 18 - 20 Jun 2019. So those interested in a 'free' race, do look out when registration is open. Hopefully, Pink Apple will continue to be the event manager. Registration fee is 100% tax exempt. You run for a good cause, get tax exemption and get to keep all the goodies including singlet, finisher tee and possibly ELM medals.
  22. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    Uhhh I think you need to read more carefully. I was saying that Pink Apple had their best race organization days in 2014, when they were good enough to even organize the 2XU marathon, which many had strong praises of. After 2014, their race organization for runs had been very on and off.
  23. beast

    2XU Compression Run 2019 - 07 Apr (Sun)

    Thought its supposed to be 21.1km............. So based on their reply what distance will you be taking now? Pink Apple has been adopting the attitude of "If it is not an error on my side, I am not going to help fix it". Technically they are not in the wrong for "pushing the runners in the other direction" if it is not something to be blamed on their side, but as the event organizer they could have been more helpful to the runners. The transport app issue, and now this holding of results till they are paid. Even if it does not make business sense to do so, they could have helped manage the runners as a form of goodwill, because it will help their brand in the long run. It is as if they couldn't care about the issues of the run at all. Pink Apple has been very inconsistent in providing race quality since a long time ago. My suspicion is there has been a large change in management and stuff since their organization of the 2XU Marathon, which is the epitome of their race organization credentials.
  24. You can try contacting this group called Run Trek Walk on Facebook.
  25. beast

    Income Eco Run 2019 - 28 Apr (Sun)

    In view of the fact that the race packs for runs these days are just simply the event tee and race bib (nothing like the good old days where it is more of a goodie bag), I think organizers should consider scraping race pack collection altogether and have the event tee and race bib deliver straight to our homes instead. For those who are not frequently not at home, they can list down collection at a nearby pop station or designated collection point. I don't know how much is the cost of renting a venue for race pack collection, and whether sponsors help to defray those costs or not, so maybe it does not make economical sense to do the event tee and race bib delivery anyway. But seeing that most of us just collect them and leave the venue, does the sponsor actually make money from sales at these race collection points?
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